• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Is this God?

createdtoworship

In the grip of grace
Mar 13, 2004
18,941
1,758
West Coast USA
✟48,173.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Upvote 0

Albion

Facilitator
Dec 8, 2004
111,127
33,263
✟584,002.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
Hi, Lee. After reading all of those replies, you should be well stocked with information and may also be thoroughly confused. Some of the answers given were, not surprisingly, incorrect. Others were right on the money. So that just illustrates the difficulty with this topic.

A few things to keep in mind --

1. We cannot comprehend with our mortal intelligence the nature of God, but we go with the outline the Bible has given us as an temporary answer. In the end, it's a mystery that we accept on God's word given to us.

2. Do not think of three individual beings called "God" like some governing committee. The modern use of the word persons is different from the meaning that the Greeks had (and even that is somewhat controversial).

3. The three "persona" of God are not just different roles played at different times by the one divine being.
 
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Site Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
25,854
8,380
Dallas
✟1,090,064.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Practically nothing in your analogy corresponds to Trinity.

The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not just changing forms of some underlying entity. Its actually a heresy called oneness (it says that God is just one person manifesting in various forms - modalism).

The generally accepted teaching about Trinity is that they are without change and they are different persons in perfect unity.

I don’t think this person meant that God is changing forms. I think the idea was that all three of these different states, liquid, ice, and gas, are water just like all three personalities, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are God.
 
Upvote 0

Albion

Facilitator
Dec 8, 2004
111,127
33,263
✟584,002.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
Yes...never even crossed my mind it was a person.
Remember that Scripture refers to the Holy Ghost with a personal pronoun, not as an "it."

We know, therefore, that he is not simply the force of the Father or something like that, which is what some people imagine.
 
Upvote 0

solid_core

Well-Known Member
Oct 13, 2019
2,695
1,579
Vienna
✟65,919.00
Country
Austria
Gender
Male
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Single
Yes...never even crossed my mind it was a person.
The Holy Spirit:

- lives (2Tm 1:14)
- talks and decides (Acts 13:2)
- has intentions to show something (Heb 9:8)
- can be grieved (Eph 4:30)
- can be lied to (Acts 5:3)

He is clearly a living person like Christianity has been teaching from the beginning.
 
Upvote 0

Kenny'sID

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Feb 28, 2016
18,194
6,997
71
USA
✟585,424.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
The Holy Spirit:

- lives (2Tm 1:14)
- talks and decides (Acts 13:2)
- has intentions to show something (Heb 9:8)
- can be grieved (Eph 4:30)
- can be lied to (Acts 5:3)

He is clearly a living person like Christianity has been teaching from the beginning.
Acts 13:2 New International Version
While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them."

Tell me where the Holy spirit was when that was said? Was it an audible voice, or was it something form the mind?

BTW, my mind speaks to me often enough.

Also, do you believe you have another person inside of you?
 
Upvote 0

Kenny'sID

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Feb 28, 2016
18,194
6,997
71
USA
✟585,424.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Remember that Scripture refers to the Holy Ghost with a personal pronoun, not as an "it."

We know, therefore, that he is not simply the force of the Father or something like that, which is what some people imagine.

It's just one of those things that don't really concern me.

I've seen some try to make a religion out of the Holy Spirit, so I'm a bit jaded about some of the claims.
 
Upvote 0

Ricky M

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Apr 19, 2017
1,905
1,320
68
Los Angeles
✟130,574.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Sorry it didn't click with you, maybe others will appreciate it.

No explanation is perfect.
Sounds like he's looking for explanations that match what's already in his head.
 
Upvote 0

redleghunter

Thank You Jesus!
Site Supporter
Mar 18, 2014
38,117
34,056
Texas
✟199,236.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
It's like water. It can be a solid (ice), a liquid (fluid), and a gas (steam/vapor). But it's all still water.
I think that is more like Modalism.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Athanasius377
Upvote 0

redleghunter

Thank You Jesus!
Site Supporter
Mar 18, 2014
38,117
34,056
Texas
✟199,236.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
  • Agree
Reactions: Athanasius377
Upvote 0

redleghunter

Thank You Jesus!
Site Supporter
Mar 18, 2014
38,117
34,056
Texas
✟199,236.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I think of Jesus as the fleshly part that is seen in the world, the Father as the soul that the Son confers with to intellectually understand the world, and the Spirit as the guiding principal that holds it all together. We are three part beings as is the trinity of the Godhead.
That’s a bit like Modalism as well.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Athanasius377
Upvote 0

redleghunter

Thank You Jesus!
Site Supporter
Mar 18, 2014
38,117
34,056
Texas
✟199,236.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
This passage is an excerpt from St. Athanasius' first letter to Serapion (Ep. 1 ad Serapionem 28-30: PG 26, 594-95. 599)


We acknowledge the Trinity, holy and perfect, to consist of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. In this Trinity there is no intrusion of any alien element or of anything from outside, nor is the Trinity a blend of creative and created being. It is a wholly creative and energizing reality, self-consistent and undivided in its active power, for the Father makes all things through the Word and in the Holy Spirit, and in this way the unity of the holy Trinity is preserved. Accordingly, in the Church, one God is preached, one God who is above all things and through all things and in all things. God is above all things as Father, for he is principle and source; he is through all things through the Word; and he is in all things in the Holy Spirit.

Writing to the Corinthians about spiritual matters, Paul traces all reality back to one God, the Father, saying: Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of service but the same Lord; and there are varieties of working, but it is the same God who inspires them all in everyone.

Even the gifts that the Spirit dispenses to individuals are given by the Father through the Word. For all that belongs to the Father belongs also to the Son, and so the graces given by the Son in the Spirit are true gifts of the Father. Similarly, when the Spirit dwells in us, the Word who bestows the Spirit is in us too, and the Father is present in the Word. This is the meaning of the text: My Father and I will come to him and make our home with him. For where the light is, there also is the radiance; and where the radiance is, there too are its power and its resplendent grace.

This is also Paul's teaching in his second letter to the Corinthians (2:13): The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. For grace and the gift of the Trinity are given by the Father through the Son in the Holy Spirit. Just as grace is given from the Father through the Son, so there could be no communication of the gift to us except in the Holy Spirit. But when we share in the Spirit, we posses the love of the Father, the grace of the Son and the fellowship of the Spirit himself." Saint Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria
 
Upvote 0

Athanasius377

Is playing with his Tonka truck.
Site Supporter
Apr 22, 2017
1,380
1,523
Cincinnati
✟794,844.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Lutheran
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Constitution
The Athanasian creed. And before anyone gets upset by the word catholic in the creed it does not mean the Church of Rome. It means the universal orthodox Christian church. Though Rome affirms the creed as does the reformed, Anglican and Lutheran churches.
The Creed of Athanasius
Written against the Arians.
Whoever desires to be saved must, above all, hold the catholic faith.
Whoever does not keep it whole and undefiled will without doubt perish eternally.
And the catholic faith is this,
that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in unity, neither confusing the persons nor dividing the substance.
For the Father is one person, the Son is another, and the Holy Spirit is another.
But the Godhead of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit is one: the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.
Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit:
the Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, the Holy Spirit uncreated;
the Father infinite, the Son infinite, the Holy Spirit infinite;
the Father eternal, the Son eternal, the Holy Spirit eternal.
And yet there are not three Eternals, but one Eternal,
just as there are not three Uncreated or three Infinites, but one Uncreated and one Infinite.
In the same way, the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, the Holy Spirit almighty;
and yet there are not three Almighties but one Almighty.
So the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God;
and yet there are not three Gods, but one God.
So the Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, the Holy Spirit is Lord;
and yet there are not three Lords, but one Lord.
Just as we are compelled by the Christian truth to acknowledge each distinct person as God and Lord,
so also are we prohibited by the catholic religion to say that there are three Gods or Lords.
The Father is not made nor created nor begotten by anyone. The Son is neither made nor created, but begotten of the Father alone.
The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son, neither made nor created nor begotten but proceeding.
Thus, there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.
And in this Trinity none is before or after another; none is greater or less than another;
but the whole three persons are coeternal with each other and coequal so that in all things, as has been stated above, the Trinity in Unity and Unity in Trinity is to be worshiped.
Therefore, whoever desires to be saved must think thus about the Trinity.
But it is also necessary for everlasting salvation that one faithfully believe the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore, it is the right faith that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is at the same time both God and man.
He is God, begotten from the substance of the Father before all ages; and He is man, born from the substance of His mother in this age:
perfect God and perfect man, composed of a rational soul and human flesh;
equal to the Father with respect to His divinity, less than the Father with respect to His humanity.
Although He is God and man, He is not two, but one Christ:
one, however, not by the conversion of the divinity into flesh but by the assumption of the humanity into God;
one altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person.
For as the rational soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ,
who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again on the third day from the dead,
ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father, from whence He will come to judge the living and the dead.
At His coming all people will rise again with their bodies and give an account concerning their own deeds.
And those who have done good will enter into eternal life, and those who have done evil into eternal fire.
This is the catholic faith; whoever does not believe it faithfully and firmly cannot be saved
 
Upvote 0

xianghua

Well-Known Member
Feb 14, 2017
5,215
555
44
tel aviv
✟119,055.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Judaism
Marital Status
Single
Is this God?: The Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit?

Three different Persons but one God?
the evidence for god are for instance this motor :

bacterial_flagellum_structure.gif


they also found these gears:

G8LbUDw5nurRAiQKo1v4Mw2nRm4FOE56RWwbsgaTA8Uye-NYxXCMK3DE7gRg-G3uvG4Nh5ZQ1zEQJk7MT8iwSkSN8OvwQZg4xr9aOSSnklypqgXz
 
Upvote 0