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OK thank you both for yur answers i now will direct your attention to 2 Peter 3. All of it I emphasize verse 8 and 16 for others.

I have kept in mind the Bible is infallible. As is 2 Peter 3. Read in full context.. I believe in the supernatural. I belive in God. I belive in the Bible. I believe i believe I believe.

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DaveKerwin said:
That is exactly my point. You read a commentary and take it an the infallable word of God. If I am more correct than what you have quoted, it is only because I do not water down scripture. God tells us as it is, and I believe what God says. Now, in terms of not responding, I have a life outside of the internet and I can't spend an hour reading a long article, if you care to sum it up in a few sentences, I am glad to read and respond. When I glanced them over, I saw nothing worth responding to. I have read one of your long posts before, and I complimented you on at least making an argument that follows, but I did not agree with your premises.
Well, I'm going to tell you the way this is going to work. If you're not going to bother reading the articles, but your going to waste my time with an uninformed response, then I'm not going to bother offering a summation. Why should I? If you don't extend courtesy to me, why should I extend courtesy to you? I spent a lot of time to get that information for you guys. You were quick to condemn them and claim they were wrong, dismissing them as garbage, yet you didn't even read them? Don't waste my time or do me any favors. Jeepers. :rolleyes:

Warrior Poet, absolutely, a real seven days. The is the same God who first created the world out of nothing. The same God who does everything supernatural, made the world in a literal seven days. I believe what the Bible says. And if that makes me guilty, then so be it. For a guy who does not like lables, you easily place them on me. Call me the literalist, the pharisee, the legalist, whatever you want. I am willing to be called names in order to stand against false teachings. God made the world in seven days. Jesus really did raise from the dead, etc. Based on your question, I take it you do not believe in the supernatural?
Off topic, but again, the evidence does not support your conclusion. You claim you are standing against false teachings, but how do you know you aren't the false teacher? The Pharisees were convinced they were correct and Jesus was wrong.

To get back on track, the bible says not to be yoked with unbelievers, we cannot dismiss this simply because we wanna hook up with hell-bound hotties.
You really are quick to judge, aren't you? All I can say is that you better hope you're right.
 
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drfeelgood said:
Well, I'm going to tell you the way this is going to work. If you're not going to bother reading the articles, but your going to waste my time with an uninformed response, then I'm not going to bother offering a summation. Why should I? If you don't extend courtesy to me, why should I extend courtesy to you? I spent a lot of time to get that information for you guys. You were quick to condemn them and claim they were wrong, dismissing them as garbage, yet you didn't even read them? Don't waste my time or do me any favors. Jeepers. :rolleyes:

Off topic, but again, the evidence does not support your conclusion. You claim you are standing against false teachings, but how do you know you aren't the false teacher? The Pharisees were convinced they were correct and Jesus was wrong.

You really are quick to judge, aren't you? All I can say is that you better hope you're right.
First, I drive a toyota, get updated!

In all seriousness, those articles sucked. They took forever to get to the point, and the point they made was weak. As a college student I have perfected the art of scanning. I want meat dude, give me something to chew on, and I will pay the favor back. But don't quote me articles, think for yourself. I am talking to you, not some guy who wrote some random article. I will respond to what you say, but please keep your comments concise so we can stay on topic.

I know I am not the false teacher because I am going with exactly what the Bible says. I am not changing it so that my lifestyle is acceptable. If anything, my lifestyle becomes inconvenient. I am no idiot, I think deeply about the things of God. I am willing to take all consequences if I am wrong. I am fully certain about what the scripture says on the issue of being unequal.

Since you are interested in yoking yourself with an unbeliever, please answer the following questions. Erica, you are welcome to answer these for yourself as well:

1. How can you make a partnership out of right and wrong?
2. Is light best friends with dark?
3. Does Christ go strolling with the Devil?
4. Do trust and mistrust hold hands?
5. Who would think of setting up pagan idols in God's holy Temple?

Don't become partners with those who reject God!
 
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DaveKerwin said:
Warrior Poet, absolutely, a real seven days. The is the same God who first created the world out of nothing. The same God who does everything supernatural, made the world in a literal seven days. I believe what the Bible says. And if that makes me guilty, then so be it. For a guy who does not like lables, you easily place them on me. Call me the literalist, the pharisee, the legalist, whatever you want. I am willing to be called names in order to stand against false teachings. God made the world in seven days. Jesus really did raise from the dead, etc. Based on your question, I take it you do not believe in the supernatural?

AMEN. Believe in every word of the Bible! Right on Dave. If you are a literalist, Pharisee, legalist, or a combo of all three, then so am I. :clap:

Since the Biblical argument is being somewhat shaded in this thread, let me offer so advice from experience. I am engaged to an unbeliever. I love her, and I pray for her salvation everyday. At this point, with the wedding so close, I won't leave her because of her lack of salvation (because, in my mind, once you are engaged you are joined - I know most will disagree, but I don't take engagment lightly). But it is a pain that is MUCH better avoided. I've pretyt much given myself an ulcer over this. But I'm in a better situation than most, since she at least loves going to church and is open to hearing the Word, yet it is still a pain and heartache that I can't describe. So if you aren't already in too deep, stay away from unequally yolked relationships.
 
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drfeelgood said:
You and several other fundies. It's not that he wasn't just referring to marriage. He wasn't referring to marriage at all. The facts don't support that conclusion. The Greek words for marriage (gameo) and unequally yoked (heterozugeo) are two completely different words, not even close in meaning.
Hmmm, but wasnt Paul speaking about any close relationship? Yoking does mean working and pulling together and this can cause many challenges when two people dont share the same beliefs. Having the relationship isnt the sin... its the consequences and decisions to stray away from God and not do His will that leads to destruction. I am being very careful at the moment as to follow God's will in these circumstances and I'm really praying that God can help me keep strong when the relationship may tempt me to stray away and sin rather than turn away from it all and just follow Paul's ADVICE! Yep, its advice, not an opinion that it's a sin to "yoke with an unbeliever" - very good advice too if I can say so myself... follow it and life with God will be one heck of a lot easier!

I am at the moment questioning... why did I start the relationship in the first place? Knowing now that its VERY hard to get out of, even if I'm meant to get out or stay in! Was I foolish? (ok, I'm asking for that one Dave :p ) Was I far from God? Or did I follow my own desires.... To be fair I think all the above - but I really feel that God is blessing me with these challenges and also touching my boyfriend through it at the same time!


No, I did not say they said anything about giving the go ahead to marry an unbeliever. I'm saying that we can draw the conclusion from the passage that being married to an unbeliever is not a sin. Paul would not have commanded the Corinthians to live in sin. Rather, he said they must not divorce. There is no law that you must not marry an unbeliever.
True, there is no law that you must not marry an unbeliever! But I know that if we were to speak to a minister about marriage he/she would SERIOUSLY advise us to rethink our decision until with realise how hard it would actually be for both of us not sharing the same beliefs. And I personally feel that if I married a non-Christian it would soooo not be honouring God's will for me! He wants the best for me and not accepting those gifts would be one of the biggest mistakes that I could ever make!

I dont know, I'm just being VERY careful when reading scriptures at the moment. Reading around the words can really risk interpreting them my own way and might not be God's intentions. I'm not looking for loopholes in God's word! Because thats just decietful and nothing honourable will come out of it!

Love, hugs and prayers
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Warrior Poet said:
hugn' my sincere apologies a question was posed and now is answered I apologize for the detour. Again my apologies.

Have a good night.

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Heehee, thats ok Warrior... twas a good point!

Love and hugs
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To get back on track, the bible says not to be yoked with unbelievers, we cannot dismiss this simply because we wanna hook up with hell-bound hotties.
Woah! Thats a strong way of putting it Dave! I dont think we go round specifically looking for some lovely non-Christian to go out with! I'm in this situation now, full stop right? I know that its challenging, I know that its hard and I constantly ask for forgiveness for all the times when I do follow my own desires and not God's. The thing is Dave is that everyone follows their own desires one way or another - and not one sin is better or worse than any other sin!

I know I am not the false teacher because I am going with exactly what the Bible says. I am not changing it so that my lifestyle is acceptable. If anything, my lifestyle becomes inconvenient. I am no idiot, I think deeply about the things of God. I am willing to take all consequences if I am wrong. I am fully certain about what the scripture says on the issue of being unequal.
I dont want to look around the words of the Bible... I want to get inside them and live them. As you said you believe the world was made in 7 days, and as unbelievable as some may think I'm actually starting to believe it myself. I want to believe it - and I want to trust that God's word is true... but sometimes its so awesome its hard to take in and even comprehend it happneing. Our God is so mighty and powerful and awesome he can do anything at the click of his fingers! How can we doubt what God has said is the true word? With God ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE! Everything thats said in the book happened! As unbelievable as the world may think it is!

But coming back to the topic... yes I want my boyfriend to come to know God. And yes I know that God really advises against unequal yoking. But no... our relationship at the moment doesnt seem to have any tensions caused by this unequal thing, and no... my boyfriend does respect my principles and wants me to be happy and so at the moment and until things do indeed get tough and challenging and we may come to the end of the line (God willing) I intend to stay with my boyfriend! If that ever happens then I will seriously reconsider having an unbelieving boyfriend ever again!

I now have a mentor from church who I can speak to and ask for advice upfront and face up! And as she's advised me as well as my minister and from God's word that I should be VERY CAREFUL and not compromise the Lord over a man who wont honour Him.

Love, hugs and prayers

Erica
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PS: I'll have a little think about those questions....mighty hard to answer with words with more than one syllable!
 
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hugnluvable said:
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Thing is, I really want a Christian boyfriend! And I feel really wrong about going out with my boyfriend and wanting him to believe in something that he might not never follow... is it though? I sometimes think about other Christian men and wonder what it'd be like going out with them... is this normal?

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Yes it's normal, when you became a christian your body became the temple of God and He moved in by His spirit which now lives in you.

God lives inside of you! wow, that is so awsome! It's no wonder then you feel bad about your relationship with an unbeliever.. he doesn't have almightly God living in him, you will have soul ties with him, but your spirits cannot mesh properly, you are light and he is dark... you just cannot connect.

God puts His desires in us, the Holy Spirit in you will desire what is right and good and God's will (your flesh may not agree with it sometimes!) so your desire for a Christian godly relationship is an expression of that.

God will never go against our free will, and, for now at least, you have chosen to stay with your boyfriend. God will not abandon you, and may even use the situation to teach you stuff.. He can make ALL situations to the good for you.. but I doubt it is His will or His best for you.

From this, and your other threads, I think you know that though, the tough decision is what you will do with that knowledge. :)
 
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William Nunn said:
AMEN. Believe in every word of the Bible! Right on Dave. If you are a literalist, Pharisee, legalist, or a combo of all three, then so am I. :clap:

Since the Biblical argument is being somewhat shaded in this thread, let me offer so advice from experience. I am engaged to an unbeliever. I love her, and I pray for her salvation everyday. At this point, with the wedding so close, I won't leave her because of her lack of salvation (because, in my mind, once you are engaged you are joined - I know most will disagree, but I don't take engagment lightly). But it is a pain that is MUCH better avoided. I've pretyt much given myself an ulcer over this. But I'm in a better situation than most, since she at least loves going to church and is open to hearing the Word, yet it is still a pain and heartache that I can't describe. So if you aren't already in too deep, stay away from unequally yolked relationships.
So let me clarify.

You believe in taking the Bible literally, word for word, out of context and all. You therefore believe that 2 Cor 6:14 says not to be married to unbelievers. With that knowledge, you still dated and have become engaged to a non-Christian girl. You are still proceeding with that engagement and have every intention of marrying her. You are hoping against hope that she's going to be saved. You claim that you are in too deep, although you are never in too deep until you get married, if you want to follow the Bible word for word. We need to be consistent here, don't we?

All the while you are recommending everybody else doesn't do it because the Bible says so? ("Believe in every word of the Bible")

Aren't you being a bit inconsistent? Ignoring the Bible's teachings for convenience sake? For a "hell-bound hottie" as your friend would say? Isn't that a bit of a double standard? Doesn't that make you a bit of a hypocrite?
 
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Erica, again I tell you that you did right by stopping the sex. I am not certain, but I would say that the biggest reason you are with this unbeliever is because YOU wanted to be with him. If you sought God's council before starting to date him, then I would say maybe. I was reading 1 Corinthians last night, and I read something interesting, here it is: 1 COrinthians 3: 16-17


"Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is sacred, and you are that temple. "


God's temple is sacred!!! Being yoked with an unbeliever is setting up an idol in the middle of God's sacred temple!! Don't do it!
 
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What a great thread :)

Should you marry a non christian? Let's look at another scripture,

1 Corinthians 6
12You may say, "I am allowed to do anything." But I reply, "Not everything is good for you." And even though "I am allowed to do anything," I must not become a slave to anything. 13You say, "Food is for the stomach, and the stomach is for food." This is true, though someday God will do away with both of them. But our bodies were not made for sexual immorality. They were made for the Lord, and the Lord cares about our bodies. 14And God will raise our bodies from the dead by his marvelous power, just as he raised our Lord from the dead. 15Don't you realize that your bodies are actually parts of Christ? Should a man take his body, which belongs to Christ, and join it to a prostitute? Never! 16And don't you know that if a man joins himself to a prostitute, he becomes one body with her? For the Scriptures say, "The two are united into one."[

By the same token, a believer is allowed to marry a non believer in as much as God never overrides free will. But is it God's will? is it wisdom? is it following scriptural advice?

Looking at the next few verses, should a believer marry and sleep with a non believer? If it means they are joining Christ with one who is in darkness?

Abraham would only choose a wife for Issac from his family, not someone from another faith.

Whatever the context of 'not being yoked' is, it still stands that close relationships with believers and non believers are obviously discouraged in this passage.

All the wisdom and examples from scripture I can see say 'Choose for yourself ' but advises against such a marriage at the same time.
 
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hugnluvable said:
I dont want to look around the words of the Bible... I want to get inside them and live them. As you said you believe the world was made in 7 days, and as unbelievable as some may think I'm actually starting to believe it myself. I want to believe it - and I want to trust that God's word is true... but sometimes its so awesome its hard to take in and even comprehend it happneing. Our God is so mighty and powerful and awesome he can do anything at the click of his fingers! How can we doubt what God has said is the true word? With God ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE! Everything thats said in the book happened! As unbelievable as the world may think it is!
Erica, I implore you to not fall into this trap. Biblical and scientific evidence has proven that the earth was not created in a literal seven days, as warrior poet so aptly pointed out. That in itself discards literalist interpretations of the Bible. If you want to continue, there are many instances where the Bible will contradict itself if you attempt to take it literally. There have been books written on this subject. I would encourage you to read them, or do a search on the internet.

Scientific evidence has also proven that the earth is not young, as literalists like Dave would like to believe. God is at work, alright, but not in the fashion being presented to you. It is a trap you don't want to be stuck in, believe me.

Please, do the research, look at the facts that have been presented to you, and don't fall prey to legalism, literalism, opinions and out-of-context Bible Bullets. Yes, with God anything is possible, but you need to do research before you can come in here and spout Bible verses off, using your opinion to interpret the Bible and attempting to counsel people with it. There's so much more to it than that. If it was that easy, everyone would be doing it. Legalists turn more people away from God than they bring to God. It does a lot more harm than good. I can speak that from experience.

Dave has been proven wrong consistently. The facts are there. The documents. The Greek translations. Scholars interpretations. Context. Ancient history. Relevant supporting Bible verses throughout the Bible. Everything that can be used to refute his position. The only thing he can come up with is that it's "junk" or "garbage" or that the point is "weak" or any other of his myriad opinions. He'll reiterate the same thing, over and over again... Calling for details, calling for meat, when it's all right there in front of him. You spend hours typing out an argument, and he waves it off because he doesn't agree with your position (although at least he applauds the consistency of the argument. woohoo) He can't back his position up with facts, and there's very good reason for that.

I'm going to leave you with that because everything that can be said on this already has been. If you need to know any more you can go read the science forums to get the facts on how the earth was really created.
 
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charligirl said:
What a great thread :)

Should you marry a non christian? Let's look at another scripture,

1 Corinthians 6
12You may say, "I am allowed to do anything." But I reply, "Not everything is good for you." And even though "I am allowed to do anything," I must not become a slave to anything. 13You say, "Food is for the stomach, and the stomach is for food." This is true, though someday God will do away with both of them. But our bodies were not made for sexual immorality. They were made for the Lord, and the Lord cares about our bodies. 14And God will raise our bodies from the dead by his marvelous power, just as he raised our Lord from the dead. 15Don't you realize that your bodies are actually parts of Christ? Should a man take his body, which belongs to Christ, and join it to a prostitute? Never! 16And don't you know that if a man joins himself to a prostitute, he becomes one body with her? For the Scriptures say, "The two are united into one."[

By the same token, a believer is allowed to marry a non believer in as much as God never overrides free will. But is it God's will? is it wisdom? is it following scriptural advice?

Looking at the next few verses, should a believer marry and sleep with a non believer? If it means they are joining Christ with one who is in darkness?

Abraham would only choose a wife for Issac from his family, not someone from another faith.

Whatever the context of 'not being yoked' is, it still stands that close relationships with believers and non believers are obviously discouraged in this passage.

All the wisdom and examples from scripture I can see say 'Choose for yourself ' but advises against such a marriage at the same time.
You are trying to use the wrong application of this passage. Pastor David Guzik explains:


Instruction regarding sexual purity


1. (12) Principle: what is permitted is not our only guide for behavior

a. All things are lawful is probably a phrase Paul used in teaching about areas of Christian liberty, that the Corinthians were emphasizing out of context; here, he brings it back to balance

b. I will not be brought under the power of any uses a verb that Paul only uses again in 7:4, in the context of a husband and wife having "authority" over each other's bodies. Paul may be saying I will not be brought under the power of anybody (as in a prostitute)

i. "By being joined to her in porneia the believer constitutes someone else, outside of Christ, as the unlawful lord over one's own body." (Fee)

2. (13-14) Principle: appetites for food and sex are not the same

a. The Corinthians were probably using the motto Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods to justify giving their body whatever "it" wanted

b. Paul will not let them take that slogan, which applies to irrelevant food restrictions, and apply it to sexual immorality

c. Our bodies (though not our "stomaches" in the sense of food dependence) are not destined for destruction, but resurrection

3. (15-17) Principle: Our bodies are part of the body of Christ and should never be joined to a prostitute

a. An individual's sexual immorality disgraces the entire body of Christ, linking it to immorality

b. Husband and wife become "one flesh" in a way that is under God's blessing; in extramarital sex, the partners become "one flesh" in a way that is under God's curse

i. "Sex outside of marriage is like a man robbing a bank: he gets something, but it is not his and he will one day pay for it. Sex within marriage can be like a person putting money into a bank: there is safety, security, and he will collect dividends." (Wiersbe)

4. (18) Instruction: Flee sexual immorality

a. Paul doesn't tell us to be brave and resist it, but to flee from its very presence; don't underestimate the power of sexuality

i. Sex outside of marriage can be exciting, but it can't be enriching

b. Paul isn't saying that sexual immorality is greater than any other sin; but he does teach that it has a unique effect on the body; not so much in physical way as in a moral and spiritual way c. Augustine was a Christian who had a lot of trouble with keeping sexually pure. For a long time, it kept him from really following God. He used to pray: "God, make me pure--but not just yet." But there came a point where he really turned everything over to God. He stopped hanging around with his companions in sexual immorality, and never went to that part of the city again. But once, he had to go there on business, and on the street he met an old flame. She was glad to see him, and started running to him with arms outstretched, saying "Augustine! Where have you been for so long? We have missed you so!" Augustine did the only thing he could do: he started running the other way. She called out to him: "Augustine, why are you running? Its only me!" He looked back, while still running, and said "I'm running because I'm not me!" He was a different man because of Jesus, living a different way.
 
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I am not certain, but I would say that the biggest reason you are with this unbeliever is because YOU wanted to be with him. If you sought God's council before starting to date him, then I would say maybe.

There are times people do things because of lack of knowledge...not always because they want to; it is noticeable that she wants to make the right decisions because she now understands that what she had done in the first place was wrong. Why not pray for her so that God increases her in wisdom and gives her the strength to continue to do the right thing?

Erica, I know that you're going through a challenging time now but continue to follow God's leading in this; He will lead you if you do what He tells you to do...you will see the blessings indeed by simply obeying your Heavenly Father :angel:

Be blessed! :hug:

~Katia~
 
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Matthew Henry puts it this way in his commentary:



The twelfth verse and former part of the thirteenth seem to relate to that early dispute among Christians about the distinction of meats, and yet to be prefatory to the caution that follows against fornication. The connection seems plain enough if we attend to the famous determination of the apostles, Acts 15, where the prohibition of certain foods was joined with that of fornication. Now some among the Corinthians seem to have imagined that they were as much at liberty in the point of fornication as of meats, especially because it was not a sin condemned by the laws of their country. They were ready to say, even in the case of fornication, All things are lawful for me. This pernicious conceit Paul here sets himself to oppose: he tells them that many things lawful in themselves were not expedient at certain times, and under particular circumstances; and Christians should not barely consider what is in itself lawful to be done, but what is fit for them to do, considering their profession, character, relations, and hopes: they should be very careful that by carrying this maxim too far they be not brought into bondage, either to a crafty deceiver or a carnal inclination. All things are lawful for me, says he, but I will not be brought under the power of any, v. 12. Even in lawful things, he would not be subject to the impositions of a usurped authority: so far was he from apprehending that in the things of God it was lawful for any power on earth to impose its own sentiments. Note, There is a liberty wherewith Christ has made us free, in which we must stand fast. But surely he would never carry this liberty so far as to put himself into the power of any bodily appetite. Though all meats were supposed lawful, he would not become a glutton nor a drunkard. And much less would he abuse the maxim of lawful liberty to countenance the sin of fornication, which, though it might be allowed by the Corinthian laws, was a trespass upon the law of nature, and utterly unbecoming a Christian. He would not abuse this maxim about eating and drinking to encourage any intemperance, nor indulge a carnal appetite: "Though meats are for the belly and the belly for meats (v. 13), though the belly was made to receive food, and food was originally ordained to fill the belly, yet if it be not convenient for me, and much more if it be inconvenient, and likely to enslave me, if I am in danger of being subjected to my belly and appetite, I will abstain. But God shall destroy both it and them, at least as to their mutual relation. There is a time coming when the human body will need no further recruits of food.’’ Some of the ancients suppose that this is to be understood of abolishing the belly as well as the food; and that though the same body will be raised at the great day, yet not with all the same members, some being utterly unnecessary in a future state, as the belly for instance, when the man is never to hunger, nor thirst, nor eat, nor drink more. But, whether this be true or no, there is a time coming when the need and use of food shall be abolished. Note, The expectation we have of being without bodily appetites in a future life is a very good argument against being under their power in the present life. This seems to me the sense of the apostle’s argument; and that this passage is plainly to be connected with his caution against fornication, though some make it a part of the former argument against litigious law-suits, especially before heathen magistrates and the enemies of true religion. These suppose that the apostle argues that though it may be lawful to claim our rights yet it is not always expedient, and it is utterly unfit for Christians to put themselves into the power of infidel judges, lawyers, and solicitors, on these accounts. But this connection seems not so natural. The transition to his arguments against fornication, as I have laid it, seems very natural: But the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body, v. 13. Meats and the belly are for one another; not so fornication and the body.

I. The body is not for fornication, but for the Lord. This is the first argument he uses against this sin, for which the heathen inhabitants of Corinth were infamous, and the converts to Christianity retained too favourable an opinion of it. It is making things to cross their intention and use. The body is not for fornication; it was never formed for any such purpose, but for the Lord, for the service and honour of God. It is to be an instrument of righteousness to holiness (Rom. 6:19), and therefore is never to be made an instrument of uncleanness. It is to be a member of Christ, and therefore must not be made the member of a harlot, v. 15. And the Lord is for the body, that is, as some think, Christ is to be Lord of the body, to have property in it and dominion over it, having assumed a body and been made to partake of our nature, that he might be head of his church, and head over all things, Heb. 2:5, 18. Note, We must take care that we do not use what belongs to Christ as if it were our own, and much less to his dishonour.

II. Some understand this last passage, The Lord is for the body, thus: He is for its resurrection and glorification, according to what follows, v. 14, which is a second argument against this sin, the honour intended to be put on our bodies: God hath both raised up our Lord, and will raise us up by his power (v. 14), by the power of him who shall change our vile body, and make it like to his glorious body by that power whereby he is able to subdue all things to himself, Phil. 3:21. It is an honour done to the body that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead: and it will be an honour to our bodies that they will be raised. Let us not abuse those bodies by sin, and make them vile, which, if they be kept pure, shall, notwithstanding their present vileness, be made like to Christ’s glorious body. Note, The hopes of a resurrection to glory should restrain Christians from dishonouring their bodies by fleshly lusts.

III. A third argument is the honour already put on them: Know you not that your bodies are the members of Christ? v. 15. If the soul be united to Christ by faith, the whole man is become a member of his mystical body. The body is in union with Christ as well as the soul. How honourable is this to the Christian! His very flesh is a part of the mystical body of Christ. Note, It is good to know in what honourable relations we stand, that we may endeavour to become them. But now, says the apostle, shall I take the members of Christ, and make them the members of a harlot? God forbid. Or, take away the members of Christ? Would not this be a gross abuse, and the most notorious injury? Would it not be dishonouring Christ, and dishonouring ourselves to the very last degree? What, make a Christ’s members the members of a harlot, prostitute them to so vile a purpose! The thought is to be abhorred. God forbid. Know you not that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with hers? For two, says he, shall be one flesh. But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit, v. 16, 17. Nothing can stand in greater opposition to the honourable relations and alliances of a Christian man than this sin. He is joined to the Lord in union with Christ, and made partaker by faith of his Spirit. One spirit lives and breathes and moves in the head and members. Christ and his faithful disciples are one, Jn. 17:21, 22. But he that is joined to a harlot is one body, for two shall be one flesh, by carnal conjunction, which was ordained of God only to be in a married state. Now shall one in so close a union with Christ as to be one spirit with him yet be so united to a harlot as to become one flesh with her? Were not this a vile attempt to make a union between Christ and harlots? And can a greater indignity he offered to him or ourselves? Can any thing be more inconsistent with our profession or relation? Note, The sin of fornication is a great injury in a Christian to his head and lord, and a great reproach and blot on his profession. It is no wonder therefore that the apostle should say, "Flee fornication (v. 18), avoid it, keep out of the reach of temptations to it, of provoking objects. Direct the eyes and mind to other things and thoughts.’’ Alia vitia pugnando, sola libido fugiendo vincitur—Other vices may be conquered in fight, this only by flight; so speak many of the fathers.

IV. A fourth argument is that it is a sin against our own bodies. Every sin that a man does is without the body; he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body (v. 18); every sin, that is, every other sin, every external act of sin besides, is without the body. It is not so much an abuse of the body as of somewhat else, as of wine by the drunkard, food by the glutton, etc. Nor does it give the power of the body to another person. Nor does it so much tend to the reproach of the body and render it vile. This sin is in a peculiar manner styled uncleanness, pollution, because no sin has so much external turpitude in it, especially in a Christian. He sins against his own body; he defiles it, he degrades it, making it one with the body of that vile creature with whom he sins. He casts vile reproach on what he Redeemer has dignifies to the last degree by taking it into union with himself. Note, We should not make our present vile bodies more vile by sinning against them.

V. The fifth argument against this sin is that the bodies of Christians are the temples of the Holy Ghost which is in them, and which they have of God, v. 19. He that is joined to Christ is one spirit. He is yielded up to him, is consecrated thereby, and set apart for his use, and is hereupon possessed, and occupied, and inhabited, by his Holy Spirit. This is the proper notion of a temple—a place where God dwells, and sacred to his use, by his own claim and his creature’s surrender. Such temples real Christians are of the Holy Ghost. Must he not therefore be God? But the inference is plain that hence we are not our own. We are yielded up to God, and possessed by and for God; nay, and this is virtue of a purchase made of us: You are bought with a price. In short, our bodies were made for God, they were purchased for him. If we are Christians indeed they are yielded to him, and he inhabits and occupies them by his Spirit: so that our bodies are not our own, but his. And shall we desecrate his temple, defile it, prostitute it, and offer it up to the use and service of a harlot? Horrid sacrilege! This is robbing God in the worst sense. Note, The temple of the Holy Ghost must be kept holy. Our bodies must be kept as his whose they are, and fit for his use and residence. VI. The apostle argues from the obligation we are under to glorify God both with our body and spirit, which are his, v. 20. He made both, he bought both, and therefore both belong to him and should be used and employed for him, and therefore should not be defiled, alienated from him, and prostituted by us. No, they must be kept as vessels fitted for our Master’s use. We must look upon our whole selves as holy to the Lord, and must use our bodies as property which belongs to him and is sacred to his use and service. We are to honour him with our bodies and spirits, which are his; and therefore, surely, must abstain from fornication; and not only from the outward act, but from the adultery of the heart, as our Lord calls it, Mt. 5:28. Body and spirit are to be kept clean, that God may be honoured by both. But God is dishonoured when either is defiled by so beastly a sin. Therefore flee fornication, nay, and every sin. Use your bodies for the glory and service of their Lord and Maker. Note, We are not proprietors of ourselves, nor have power over ourselves, and therefore should not use ourselves according to our own pleasure, but according to his will, and for his glory, whose we are, and whom we should serve, Acts 27:23.
 
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Dr. Feel Good says: "You are trying to use the wrong application of this passage."

What is the point of us trying to read the Bible for ourselves if we are always going to interpret it wrong? Should we go back to the days when common folk aren't allowed to read the Bible, and we should just let authorities like you tell us what the Bible really says?

I'm not trying to discredit the use of outside opinions and studies. But, we are always supposed to look back to the Bible as our main source of wisdom. Otherwise, why would the Bereans be commended for studying the Scriptures to make sure what they had been taught was true? (Acts 17:11)
 
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