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Is there anything wrong with being a Mormon Christian?
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People can be wrong about the answers they receive when they pray. Sometimes they think God was talking to them when He wasn't. Another way to test a message is to see if it lines up with previous scripture. If God is not the author of confusion, He's not going to contradict Himself.
Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.Acts 17:11 NIV
The Bible says:
1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.
Luke 1:1-4
The Book of Mormon says:
20 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld that they did prosper in the land; and I beheld a book, and it was carried forth among them.
21 And the angel said unto me: Knowest thou the meaning of the book?
22 And I said unto him: I know not.
23 And he said: Behold it proceedeth out of the mouth of a Jew. And I, Nephi, beheld it; and he said unto me: The book that thou beholdest is a record of the Jews, which contains the covenants of the Lord, which he hath made unto the house of Israel; and it also containeth many of the prophecies of the holy prophets; and it is a record like unto the engravings which are upon the plates of brass, save there are not so many; nevertheless, they contain the covenants of the Lord, which he hath made unto the house of Israel; wherefore, they are of great worth unto the Gentiles.
24 And the angel of the Lord said unto me: Thou hast beheld that the book proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew; and when it proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew it contained the fulness of the gospel of the Lord, of whom the twelve apostles bear record; and they bear record according to the truth which is in the Lamb of God.
25 Wherefore, these things go forth from the Jews in purity unto the Gentiles, according to the truth which is in God.
26 And after they go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest the formation of that great and abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away.
27 And all this have they done that they might pervert the right ways of the Lord, that they might blind the eyes and harden the hearts of the children of men.
28 Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God.
29And after these plain and precious things were taken away it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles; and after it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles, yea, even across the many waters which thou hast seen with the Gentiles which have gone forth out of captivity, thou seest—because of the many plain and precious things which have been taken out of the book[Bible], which were plain unto the understanding of the children of men, according to the plainness which is in the Lamb of God—because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb, an exceedingly great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power over them.
30 Nevertheless, thou beholdest that the Gentiles who have gone forth out of captivity, and have been lifted up by the power of God above all other nations, upon the face of the land which is choice above all other lands, which is the land that the Lord God hath covenanted with thy father that his seed should have for the land of their inheritance; wherefore, thou seest that the Lord God will not suffer that the Gentiles will utterly destroy the mixture of thy seed, which are among thy brethren.
31 Neither will he suffer that the Gentiles shall destroy the seed of thy brethren.
32 Neither will the Lord God suffer that the Gentiles shall forever remain in that awful state of blindness, which thou beholdest they are in, because of the plain and most precious parts of the gospel of the Lamb which have been kept back by that abominable church, whose formation thou hast seen.
If the Book of Mormon restores all those plain and precious things that were supposedly removed from the Bible and many covenants of the Lord that were taken away, can to give us the verses in the BoM that restore what was supposedly lost? The Book of Mormon was said to be translated from brass plates that the great and abominable church had never touched.
"I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion.”
“Chapter 4: The Book of Mormon: Keystone of Our Religion,” Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, (2007), 57–68
LDS.org - Melchizedek Priesthood Chapter Detail - The Book of Mormon: Keystone of Our Religion
The Book of Mormon doesn't mention baptism for the dead or temple marriage. Perhaps Joseph Smith hadn't thought of those as requirements for eternal life yet.
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indeed!!!
it is a well worn out tatic to lure someoje in wit the BoM (which aside from being , horrible prosse and poor fiction) is a reletibly benighn bit of work, but the "Book of Comandments" ( a.k.a. the D&C, and the PoGP are a different matter alltogether) wghy are these not distributed to the marks? after all, Leviticus is some preety weithty stuff, and that does not stop the mormons from distributing that?
so why the fear of distributing the D&C and the PoGP.
and before anybody even thinks of using the "it is toocostly " excuse, i know ovf several local churches wgich are dirt poor, and manage to give away bibles, so why not the PoGP and the D&C?
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I must clarify one thing if I clarify nothing else. The LDS missionary machine is highly organized. While the actual missionaries do pay their own way, it is something that is expected of them from childhood on up. When these young men and women enter into the mission field they are told where they are to go, trained in a different language if necessary and dedicated solely to that calling. There is minimal contact with family and friends "back home." The two year obligation is precisely that, two years! No time off for Christmas or trips back home. Also, there is a strict hierarchy in the mission just as there is in their church. They are all accountable to a mission president, etc.
I hope this clarifies this a little. It's been a very long time since I went with them on visitations.
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That's not totally true. Most of the missionaries that I know of, usually come back to their home church or some other church in their denomination to raise support, especially those who are life time missionaries.
As far as the bikes go, you will notice that the LDS missionaries at are on them are in urban areas. If they are traveling form one town to another, they are in a church owned automobile.
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Thanks for the clarification. I had hoped it would have come from an LDS member, but I trust you as you have been there and done that.
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I met a fellow once who suffered from schizophrenia. He was entirely sincere when he told me that he had heard God speak to him audibly and tell him to commit suicide. I assured him that God, who reveals Himself in the Bible, did not tell him any such thing and that he needed to get medical help as soon as possible.
The heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick; Who can understand it? Jeremiah 17:9
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In this case, the difference in being different constitute major deviations from crucial doctrines of biblical Christianity. In other words, there is no such thing as a "Mormon Christian," and here is why:
The Basics Of Mormonism: Why the Church of LDS is NOT Christian
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I must clarify one thing if I clarify nothing else. The LDS missionary machine is highly organized. While the actual missionaries do pay their own way, it is something that is expected of them from childhood on up. When these young men and women enter into the mission field they are told where they are to go, trained in a different language if necessary and dedicated solely to that calling. There is minimal contact with family and friends "back home." The two year obligation is precisely that, two years! No time off for Christmas or trips back home. Also, there is a strict hierarchy in the mission just as there is in their church. They are all accountable to a mission president, etc.
I hope this clarifies this a little. It's been a very long time since I went with them on visitations.
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This does clarify. I stand corrected. Maybe "awash with money" is more along the lines of what I meant.
Some ex-Mormon should recreate the LDS mission-machine as a non-denom Christian organization. Make them Christians then let them find their own particular brand. It's better than nothing.
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I don't know if it's fair to categorize LDS as a cult--though the shunning they do of people who leave sends chills down my spine. But they are certainly not Christian.
Scientology is a different story.
Scientology is a different story.
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When LDS speak of the gospel of Christ, they define it differently than we do:
The Gospel of the Son of God that has been revealed is a plan or system of laws and ordinances, by strict obedience to which the people who inhabit this earth are assured that they may return again into the presence of the Father and the Son. The laws of the Gospel are neither more nor less than a few of the principles of eternity revealed to the people, by which they can return to heaven from whence they came (DBY, 1).
When we talk of the celestial law which is revealed from heaven, that is, the Priesthood, we are talking about the principle of salvation, a perfect system of government, of laws and ordinances, by which we can be prepared to pass from one gate to another, and from one sentinel to another, until we go into the presence of our Father and God (DBY, 130).
Chapter 2: The Gospel Defined, Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Brigham Young, p. 15
The Gospel of the Son of God that has been revealed is a plan or system of laws and ordinances, by strict obedience to which the people who inhabit this earth are assured that they may return again into the presence of the Father and the Son. The laws of the Gospel are neither more nor less than a few of the principles of eternity revealed to the people, by which they can return to heaven from whence they came (DBY, 1).
When we talk of the celestial law which is revealed from heaven, that is, the Priesthood, we are talking about the principle of salvation, a perfect system of government, of laws and ordinances, by which we can be prepared to pass from one gate to another, and from one sentinel to another, until we go into the presence of our Father and God (DBY, 130).
Chapter 2: The Gospel Defined, Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Brigham Young, p. 15
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aint that the truth, and when you consider the fact that several of the LDS prophets, apostles, elders, and ther other authourities went well out their way to establish in the permant record thier very low opinon of christians, it is simpl astounding that the LDS have now changed their tune, spe3ak in a way totally contrary to waht their prophets have said, and when are reminded of this the get offended at the one who simply reminds them of what their prophets , apostles, elders, seeres, and other members of thier leadership have said
You may hear the divines of the day extol the character of the Saviour, undertake to exhibit his true character before the people, and give an account of his origin...I have frequently thought of mules, which you know are half horse and half ass, when reflecting upon the representations made by those divines. I have heard sectarian priests undertake to tell the character of the Son of God, and they make him half of one species and half of another, and I could not avoid thinking at once of the mule, which is the most hateful creature that ever was made, I believe. You will excuse me, but I have thus thought many a time" Bringham Young, Journal of Discourses 4:217
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"...brother Heber C. Kimball was beset by a number of Baptist priests who had been attending a conference. He read them all down out of the New Testament....With regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world." (Brigham Young, JD 8:199).
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true." (Joseph Smith, DHC 1:6)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I spoke of the impropriety of turning away from the truth, and going after a people so destitute of righteousness as the Methodists." (Joseph Smith, DHC 2:319)[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing...Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God." (John Taylor, JI) 13:225)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The Roman Catholic, Greek, and Protestant church, is the great corrupt, ecclesiastical power, represented by great Babylon...." (Orson Pratt, Orson Pratt, Writings of an Apostle, "Divine Authenticity," no.6, p.84).[/FONT]
Evil spirits control much of the so-called religious worship in the world; for instance, the great creeds of Christendom were formulated so as to conform to their whispered promptings." (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.246)
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go figgure why any mormon who believes that their prophets actually speak for God would want to be called a christian, when the mormon prophets have had these things to say about Christians, and then go get offended at the Christian who exposes what the LDS leadership has said
vegan carnivores indeed
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Ishraqiyun
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People who are really bigoted against denominations other than their own might not like it.
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BarryK, I thought you weren't going to post on this second account anymore.
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BarryK, I thought you weren't going to post on this second account anymore.
I am not BarryK, I am Badwolf123, and this is my only account.
do you have any comment on the content of my post?
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According to your Apostle, you would be beter off if you were a muslem than a christian,
"The Greek and Roman Churches, which have been called Christian, and which take the name of Christians as a cloak, have worshipped innumerable idols. On this account, on the simple subject of the Deity and His worship, if nothing more, I should rather incline, of the two, after all my early traditions, education, and prejudices, to the side of Mahomet, for on this point he is on the side of truth, and the Christian world on the side of idolatry and heathenism."
- Apostle Parley P. Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p.38
"..instead of saying that Mahometanism prevailed against Christianity, and that Christianity was in danger of being done away by its prevalence, we would rather say, that where Mahometanism prevailed, it taught and established one truth at least, viz., the true and living God, and so far as this went, it did preserve people from worshipping idols. And had the crescent waved on the tower of London, or on the church of St. Paul, instead of the cross, and had the Mahometan religion been enforced instead of the Roman religion that was enforced for a series of generations, and had tradition riveted what the sword enforced, then that nation and the surrounding nations would have been worshippers of one true God instead of idols; they would have recognized it in theory at least, whether they would have worshipped Him in spirit and in truth or not. But now [Christians] do not recognize Him in theory, for they acknowledge as their god an imaginary being without body, parts, or passions."
- Apostle Parley P. Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p.39
"Now, if we take Mahometanism during those dark ages, and the corruptions that are so universally prevalent over the earth, and the idolatrous systems of religion, falsely called Christianity, and weigh them in a balance; with all my education in favor of Christian nations and Christian powers, and Christian institutions, so called, with all my prejudices of early youth, and habits of thought and reading, my rational faculties would compel me to admit that the Mahometan history and Mahometan doctrine was a standard raised against the most corrupt and abominable idolatry that over perverted our earth, found in the creeds and worship of Christians, falsely so named."
- Apostle Parley P. Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p.40
"Though Mahometan institutions are corrupt enough, and need reforming by the Gospel, I am inclined to think, upon the whole, leaving out the corruptions of men in high places among them, that they have better morals and better institutions than many Christian nations; and in many localities there have been high standards of morals. So far as that one point is concerned, of worshipping the one true God under the name of Mahometanism, together with many moral precepts, and in war only acting on the defensive, I think they have exceeded in righteousness and truthfulness of religion, the idolatrous and corrupt church that has borne the name of Christianity."
- Apostle Parley P. Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p.41
it is well established that the founders and early fathers of your faith have no use for christians, even preffering Islam over christainity, so why the desire to be christian and LDS when the Lds have went out of their way to let it be known far and wide that christianity is not of God?
why would you want to live you life in total oppositionto what your prophets and aposltes have said?
perhaps your prophets and apostles are not really speaking for god? could that be it?
if this is the case, that leaves you in a difficult position, for if your prophets and apostles are indeed speaking for god when the declare from the pulpet that christianity is not of god, then you hae no business wanting to be both mormon and a christian
on the other hand, if you prophets and apostles are not speaking for god when they declare from the pulpet such things, who are they speaking for?
what othr matters are they speaking for this other entity/
how can you specificly discdern who anthey are speking for at any given time/
if they are not truthful in this particular matter of faith, what other maters of faith are they not truthful in?
arent you glad you asked why a mormon cant be a christian at the same time?
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I think they're well organized. Can you explain what you mean to me?
While as of 2007, 80% of all Mormon missionaries were young, unmarried men, 13% were young single women and 7% retired couples.[12] Women who would like to serve a mission must meet the same standards of worthiness and be at least 21 years old; women generally serve shorter 18-month missions and are not actively encouraged to serve. Married retired couples, on the other hand, are encouraged to serve missions, but their length of service may vary from 6 to 36 months depending on their circumstances and means. Any single retired person may also be called to serve in what is known as senior missionary service. In the last two decades, the LDS Church has stepped up its call for senior couple missionaries. Leaders have encouraged this both as a responsibility to help our fellow men and as a cure to the loneliness that often affects the elderly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missionary_(LDS_Church)
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