zeke37
IMO...
Ok, well I've shown you before that those "beings" in "heaven" are not actually in heaven.
well Bro...you have shown me nothing of the sort.
You have however shared your opinion
no problem there. I too use the strong'sThis is how Strong's dictionary defines spirit, and soul:
Strongs Old Testament Hebrew dictionary definition for Spirit.
H7307 ruach, Pronounced roo'-akh. From H7306; wind; by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions): - air, anger, blast, breath, X cool, courage, mind, X quarter, X side, spirit ([-ual]), tempest, X vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y).
Strongs New Testament Greek dictionary definition for Spirit.
G4151 pneuma, Pronounced pnyoo'-mah. From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christs spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.
A persons soul is just simply a living breathing creature. Have you heard the expression; I went to the park and there wasnt a soul there? A soul just simply means a person and is who and what you are.
Strongs Old Testament Hebrew dictionary definition for Soul.
H5315 nephesh, Pronounced neh'-fesh. From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental).
Our spirit is basically the breath of life from God. Also, the soul is defined as a person in the bible:
Exodus 1:5 Seventy souls went to Egypt.
Acts 2:41 Three thousand souls were baptized.
1 Peter 3:20 Eight souls were saved in Noahs day.
Another thing, the bible proclaims very clearly that the "soul" is mortal and not immortal:
Job 4:17 The Bible calls man mortal.
Revelation 16:3 "Every living soul died in the sea." Souls can die.
Ezekiel 18:4 God said, The soul that sins, it shall die.
Exodus 1:5 Seventy souls went to Egypt. Souls are people.
Acts 2:41 Three thousand souls were baptized. Again, souls are people.
1 Peter 3:20 Eight souls were saved in Noahs day. Again, souls are people.
1 Timothy 6:16 God only has immortality. Man is not immortal.
2 Timothy 1:10 Immortality comes only through the gospel.
Romans 2:7 Christians seek for immortality.
1 Corinthians 15:53 At the end, this mortal shall put on immortality.
a person/soul is mortal unless God makes them immortal.
again, no problem
sure He did...you just mis understood as many do...Jesus taught the Resurrection of the dead. He didn't teach that believers would go directly to heaven after they die:
that is one of the places where He taught as I believe (along with Mar12/Luk20) in the parable of the 7 brothers and wifeMatthew 22:23, 29 Jesus rebuked those who said there was no resurrection.
Matthew 22:31 Jesus taught the resurrection of the dead.
what does recompensed mean?Luke 14:14 The saints will be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.
to life on earth again....John 5:28-29 All who are in their graves will be resurrected at the second coming of Christ.
their spiritual bodies will be the bodies "raised" here then, not heir flesh
I hope you don't believe that the spirits of the dead are in holes in the ground.
yeppp....they COME FROM heaven with the LordJohn 6:39, 40, 44, 54 All believers will rise on the last day.
he'll be back...John 11:24 Martha said to Jesus, I know that he [Lazarus] shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
but make no mistake that he is in heaven today, waiting with the rest...
Abraham and Lazarus are also there,
waiting to come back in their spiritual/heavenly/angelic/celestial body,
to be raised back to life on earth again
I have no doubt that all believers will be resurrected back to life on earth again,The bible also clearly states that all believers would be resurrected when Jesus returns:
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 The Lord himself shall descend ... the dead ... shall rise ... to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Corinthians 15:50-55 The saints cry out, 0 death, where is thy sting when they are resurrected at the second coming of Jesus.
John 14:1-3 Jesus will take us to heaven when He comes again.
1 Corinthians 15:12-23 Paul says there is a resurrection of both Christ and the dead, but every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
when Christ comes...no problem!
it still does not show your point that the dead do not exist in heaven now.
the bible shows folks in heaven doing things,
so your current understanding is wrong.
the bible also teaches that the dead COME with Him....
not that they are HERE in a hole in the ground until He Comes.
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