Is there an absolute morality?

[Neogaia777]

From a dozen or so posts upstream.

'When the Law was introduced in the OT, it was because the previous covenant had seemed to have failed, so YHWH was trying something else, or what He thought would be a better way in light of the now newer circumstances, etc...

But then that failed as well, etc...'

Yep, and YHWH, or God in the OT, was/is God the Spirit, or the Holy Spirit, or God in the form of Spirit, etc, and Jesus is God the Man, or the God-Man, or God the Son, or God in the form of the flesh, etc...

And the Father is the Father, and no one knows His form, or His likeness, or His person, apart from knowing the other Two first, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

You're saying God is not omniscient?

I tried explaining this already...

God is a Trinity, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Bradskii]

I tried explaining this already...

God is a Trinity, etc...

God Bless!

If I say 'God is omniscient' could you explain what that means to you?

 

[Neogaia777]

The probably only one single thing in the entire universe that is quite literally impossible for God the Father to do all on His own, etc, is fully showing Himself to us apart from using the other Two to do so, etc...

That is why They are here... and why we are all here, etc...

It necessitated limitations that God the Father just could not place upon Himself in order to be in time with us, etc, which is why He has the other Two to do so, or to show us that, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

If I say 'God is omniscient' could you explain what that means to you?

It means full determinism from the beginning, and only one way things can go, and there is no such thing as choice, and it's a matter of perspective and/or point of view, that only God the Father has always fully had fully, or has always fully known fully from the very beginning fully, because He is the One who determined all the rest of it (or all the rest of us not Him) from the beginning (fully), etc...

God Bless!

 

[Bradskii]

It means full determinism from the beginning, and only one way things can go, and there is no such thing as choice, and it's a matter of perspective and/or point of view, that only God the Father has always fully had fully, or has always fully known fully, because He is the One who determined all the rest of it (or all the rest of us not Him) from the beginning, etc...

God Bless!

So if He has a plan, He knows if it's going to work. In other words, why would He instigate a plan that wasn't going to work?

 

[Neogaia777]

So if He has a plan, He knows if it's going to work. In other words, why would He instigate a plan that He knew wasn't going to work?

I added two words to your post above to change it slightly and then to say:

Exactly!

He wouldn't, and so He didn't...

God the Father has never been worried, or stressed, or angry, or surprised, or any other kind of thing more limited than Him beings go through, because of His full omniscience and His already having known all, and having already determined/predetermined all from the very beginning of all fully, etc...

All those other kinds of "things" or "stuff", etc, is only for beings who were not always equal to Him always fully, etc...

But this also created the dilemma of His not being able to show Himself to us fully without others who could experience those kinds of things in order to do so, etc...

His only limitation, etc...

And it comes from not being able to be limited, etc...

God Bless!

 

[enoob57]

I'll give you a look at the end

Revelation 21:1 (KJV)
[1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
[2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
[3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
[4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
[5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
[6] And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
[7] He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

It pays to read ahead then you could possibly be more intelligent about the suject!

 

[Chriliman]

If I say 'God is omniscient' could you explain what that means to you?

I think it’s that God planned for sin so he could overcome it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

But he is... is he not?

I suppose that depends.

 

[Bradskii]

He wouldn't, and so He didn't...

He didn't? But... 'When the Law was introduced in the OT, it was because the previous covenant had seemed to have failed...'

Who introduced the OT laws?

 

[Bradskii]

I think it’s that God planned for sin so he could overcome it.

Hasn't done a very good job, has He...

 

[Chriliman]

Hasn't done a very good job, has He...

Depends if you think sin is still being overcome to this day.

 

[Bradskii]

Depends if you think sin is still being overcome to this day.

I'm an optimist. I think things are gradually getting better. But what I think is acceptable and what God considers to be sinful are entirely different matters. He probably thinks the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

But then, He would have always known that was going to happen.

 

[Neogaia777]

He didn't? But... 'When the Law was introduced in the OT, it was because the previous covenant had seemed to have failed...'

Who introduced the OT laws?

God in and of the OT, or YHWH, who is a Father to us, and to Jesus, but is not the Heavenly Father God, or God in and of Heaven Jesus spoke of and/or about, when He specifically used those terms, etc...

The previous covenant of faith is the one Jesus took us back to, the one that cannot be written down, and I guess we'll have to see how it all plays out this time around to see if it will work out again this time around, etc...

The Heavenly Father already knows though, just as He already always knew, or already always has known, etc...

My guess is that it will work out for some but not all, and it has to be my guess, because even Jesus or God the Spirit/God in the OT didn't always know, etc...

God Bless!

 

[TLK Valentine]

Then you believe God determined sin?

He would have had to, wouldn't He? Or else, going back to the Garden of Eden, He got utterly blindsided by a talking reptile...

 

[Neogaia777]

I think it’s that God planned for sin so he could overcome it.

God the Father planned/determined/arranged/predestined/ordered/prearranged, etc, a time of evil for a time, etc, so that many could go to be with Him where He both is and always was, etc, and so they could go to be with Him forever and always after that, etc, and live forever after that, etc, and enjoy exquisite pleasures and/or delights well and way beyond our imagining right now for us right now in our present/current environment(s) or situation(s) or circumstance(s) right now, and enjoy them for forevermore, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Bradskii]

God in and of the OT, or YHWH, who is a Father to us, and to Jesus, but is not the Heavenly Father God, or God in and of Heaven Jesus spoke of and/or about, when He specifically used those terms, etc...

The previous covenant of faith is the one Jesus took us back to, the one that cannot be written down, and I guess we'll have to see how it all plays out this time around to see if it will work out again this time around, etc...

The Heavenly Father already knows though, just as He already always knew, or already always has known, etc...

My guess is that it will work out for some but not all, and it has to be my guess, because even Jesus or God the Spirit/God in the OT didn't always know, etc...

God Bless!

Your responses have reached a point where they are completely opaque. We're done.

 

[Neogaia777]

Your responses have reached a point where they are completely opaque. We're done.

I'm sorry to hear that...

God Bless!

 

[enoob57]

He would have had to, wouldn't He?

Sin has no place with God ... do you even know where sin originated in creation?

Or else, going back to the Garden of Eden, He got utterly blindsided by a talking reptile...

You don't give much consideration to the Bible do you?