Is there an absolute morality?

[Neogaia777]

@TLK Valentine

I'll have to get back with you later, right now I've got to go do things right now for a little while today, but will get back to you, promise.

God Bless!

 

[TLK Valentine]

That's why I'm asking. The greater good is YHVH's Law.

Perhaps there's an ever greater good than obedience?

Aren't you glad you don't live in biblical times, in Israel?
The law was given by YHVH to create a society that would be a witness to the world of YHVH's goodness, his righteousness, his justice, his love, mercy, faithfulness, and graciousness.

By executing anyone who didn't see it.

A wise man once said, "A good man doesn't need any rules..."

Some people think that it's actually a good thing to keep their clothes on when it comes to being around other people's spouses.

Others have no problem with it.

Jealousy is a powerful thing. Would you want your wife screwing around with your friends, brother, uncles, dad, grandfather, etc.?

If my clothing (or lack thereof) causes another to want to start "screwing around" on their spouse, that’s their responsibility, not mine. Their jealousy, not my problem.

A wise man (not the one from above; this other fellow was in the Bible) said that if your eye or hand is going to lead you to sin, cut it off!

One can hope he wasn't being literal, but the message comes through loud and clear -- nobody is to blame for your jealousy, or any other sin, except you.

Then, some people actually think that taking one day a week to rest and recuperate from a hard week of work is a good thing.

None of whom work in upper/middle management. I've heard stories of people who have lost their jobs because their bosses tried to call them in on their "days off" and they refused.

No other cultures had that.

See above -- ours is starting to lose it.

They also had a pretty impressive holiday schedule. At least 2 weeks a year. Special holidays in between.

...with dire consequences for non-participation.

There's a funny scene in Flash Gordon (1980); a message during Ming the Merciless' wedding:

"All will make merry...

... under pain of death."

 

[TLK Valentine]

@TLK Valentine

I'll have to get back with you later, right now I've got to go do things right now for a little while today, but will get back to you, promise.

God Bless!

No rush! Do what you gotta do.

 

[Bradskii]

@Neogaia777: Then you are describing a different God. One who didn't know His plan was going to work can't have been omniscient.

 

[Neogaia777]

@Neogaia777: Then you are describing a different God. One who didn't know His plan was going to work can't have been omniscient.

Have you even been reading my posts???

Anyway, I thought I was pretty clear from where I stand, etc...?

And it's not like it was my idea originally, but Jesus's, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

It would be ontologically impossible for Jesus or the HS to sin, if the trinity is to be believed... "Sin" is an act of disobedience against God, and how can God disobey Himself?

Sin in His/Their case (God the Spirit and God the Son) would probably be disobeying the Law that was established by the Father from before the beginning, etc...

God Bless!

 

[enoob57]

the idea of relativity in truth as no absolutes can only exist in a non-system... and this 'exist' is a system and with it absolutes!

 

[enoob57]

A wise man once said, "A good man doesn't need any rules..."

Just a thought; according to God there exist only One Who is good
Luke 18:19 (KJV)
[19] And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

So where does this leave your wise man?

 

[Bradskii]

Have you even been reading my posts???

Anyway, I thought I was pretty clear from where I stand, etc...?

And it's not like it was my idea originally, but Jesus's, etc...

God Bless!

Let me ask you a simple question. If you were omniscient (like God) and you implemented a plan which you knew was going to fail (because your omniscient) then would you implement it? Twice?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Sin in His case would probably be disobeying the law that was from the beginning, etc...

God Bless!

Which law would that be? He wrote them all, and is not in any way bound by them...

 

[TLK Valentine]

Just a thought; according to God there exist only One Who is good
Luke 18:19 (KJV)
[19] And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

So where does this leave your wise man?

If not in disagreement with Jesus, at least speaking relatively...

 

[enoob57]

If you were omniscient (like God) and you implemented a plan which you knew was going to fail (because your omniscient) then would you implement it?

What plan failed?

Twice?

I don't understand the twice in reference to God's plan?

 

[Neogaia777]

Which raises some sticky questions regarding free will which are better left unanswered.

If Exodus is to be believed, God hardened Pharaoh's heart so that he wouldn't free the Israelites, so that God could smack them with another plague...

Can Pharaoh be held responsible for these actions if God was controlling his choices? What chance did Pharaoh ever have to resist God's influence?

Well, about free will, I believe in the whole of the entire universe having been determined from the beginning, etc, and it only being able to go only one way since that time, and I think God the Father is the One who determined it, etc...

And about Pharoah, it says YHWH further hardened his heart after a certain point actually, which means he was already heading in the direction anyway, etc, and Pharoah's actions already up to that point, proved him out to be a very bad person, and a bad man, etc, so YHWH only further hardening his heart, to accomplish His own purposes with His own people, didn't really change a thing really, at least not as far as Pharoah was concerned, etc, because it was already clear where he was going, etc, so YHWH's actions with him didn't change a thing really, etc, and that is really the only time YHWH will use an unbeliever in that way, or for a bad purpose in that way, etc, is usually only if it's not really changing anything, etc, but only maybe if by using them in that way, He might be able to change things with His own people, etc, which I already told you He was having a lot of trouble doing a lot, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Well, in the case of Jesus, the whole point of the incarnation is that he was fully human, not just "God in a human suit," as it were.
To be fully human means psychologically as well as physically -- the human experience with all the mystery, uncertainty, and anxiety that goes with it. So how much of Jesus' prediction was divine, and how much of was as a human... savvy in the ways of human nature?

As for the Holy Spirit, that's always a more nebulous thing, isn't it? I've been told that the HS is that part of God that He, like any other artist, writer, or creator, leaves behind in His work. I may not be a Christian, but I like that description.

Take too much to explain right now, no offense, etc...

Maybe later...

God Bless!

 

[enoob57]

If not in disagreement with Jesus, at least speaking relatively...

But he is... is he not?

 

[enoob57]

Well, about free will, I believe in the whole of the entire universe having been determined from the beginning, etc,

Then you believe God determined sin?

 

[Neogaia777]

Let me ask you a simple question. If you were omniscient (like God) and you implemented a plan which you knew was going to fail (because your omniscient) then would you implement it? Twice?

It is impossible to be 100% totally and fully omniscient from the beginning and have your quote/unquote "plans", fail, etc...

And that is why God the Father's hasn't, and won't, and never will, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Then you believe God determined sin?

God the Father determined a time of some evil, yes...

God Bless!

 

[Bradskii]

What plan failed?
I don't understand the twice in reference to God's plan?

From a dozen or so posts upstream.

'When the Law was introduced in the OT, it was because the previous covenant had seemed to have failed, so YHWH was trying something else, or what He thought would be a better way in light of the now newer circumstances, etc...

But then that failed as well, etc...'

 

[Bradskii]

It is impossible to be 100% totally and fully omniscient from the beginning and have your quote/unquote "plans", fail, etc...

And that is why God the Father's hasn't, and won't, and never will, etc...

God Bless!

You're saying God is not omniscient?