Is there an absolute morality?

Bradskii · Oct 26, 2021

disciple Clint said:
It answers the question of what I consider to be life.

My son is not what you consider to be life? Formed from inanimate materials? These inanimate materials (from wiki):

'Almost 99% of the mass of the human body is made up of six elements: oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus. Only about 0.85% is composed of another five elements: potassium, sulfur, sodium, chlorine, and magnesium. All 11 are necessary for life.'

o_mlly · Oct 26, 2021

Bradskii said:
I came to my opinion myself. How did you come to yours?

Blind squirrel finds nut -- again?

Human needs (not wants) that humans require to exist and to flourish confer value to those needs. That a need exists is a fact. That "is" converts to the truth of an "ought" in the following method:

Does a human need indicate that a human right exists. Yes.
Do rights impose obligations on other to respect those rights? Yes.
Does a human need bodily integrity? Yes. (We need not be anymore graphic about rape than that.)
Does rape violate a person's right to bodily integrity? Yes.
One ought not rape another.

The discovery that oughts can be true enables us to draw the line between the objective and subjective aspects of morality.

disciple Clint · Oct 26, 2021

Bradskii said:
My son is not what you consider to be life? Formed from inanimate materials? These inanimate materials (from wiki):

'Almost 99% of the mass of the human body is made up of six elements: oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus. Only about 0.85% is composed of another five elements: potassium, sulfur, sodium, chlorine, and magnesium. All 11 are necessary for life.'

Well if that is all there is to life then it should be possible to mix those up in the appropriate amounts and bingo, a life is created.

Belk · Oct 26, 2021

Mclachlan said:
Thanks for taking the time to answer. It sounds like the Vikings (at least some of them) for a time lived in a morally depraved environment.

They did not consider it to be morally depraved. There are other examples we can easily pull of cultures who viewed morality very differently.

Mclachlan said:
Would you then say that morality depends on factors such as cultural and custom differences?

It certainly seems to be a part of it. Human morality seems to exist across a spectrum though we do have some built in aspects. Best we can tell there are both evolutionary structures and cultural variations to our morality.

Bradskii · Oct 26, 2021

o_mlly said:
Human needs that humans require to exist and to flourish confer value to those needs.

Confer value...as each individual sees it apply to him or herself. But we don't value all humans equally. Obviously.

Bradskii · Oct 26, 2021

disciple Clint said:
Well if that is all there is to life then it should be possible to mix those up in the appropriate amounts and bingo, a life is created.

I did that. Well, I created the life from what was originally inanimate material and then he took it from there. All growed up now and repeating the process.

disciple Clint · Oct 26, 2021

Bradskii said:
I did that. Well, I created the life from what was originally inanimate material and then he took it from there. All growed up now and repeating the process.

Why Abiogenesis Is Impossible
https://trueorigin.org/abio.php

Bradskii · Oct 26, 2021

disciple Clint said:
Why Abiogenesis Is Impossible
https://trueorigin.org/abio.php

I see you took my advice.

So Jesus could bring the dead back from life but God couldn't have used the materials found on the planet a few million years ago to start life. Why not?

disciple Clint · Oct 26, 2021

Bradskii said:
I see you took my advice.

So Jesus could bring the dead back from life but God couldn't have used the materials found on the planet a few million years ago to start life. Why not?

God is not limited in any way.

o_mlly · Oct 26, 2021

Bradskii said:
Confer value...as each individual sees it apply to him or herself. But we don't value all humans equally. Obviously.

What's your point? Are we back to that "good" rapist story again?

VirOptimus · Oct 26, 2021

o_mlly said:
Blind squirrel finds nut -- again?

Human needs (not wants) that humans require to exist and to flourish confer value to those needs. That a need exists is a fact. That "is" converts to the truth of an "ought" in the following method:

Does a human need indicate that a human right exists. Yes.

Do rights impose obligations on other to respect those rights? Yes.

Does a human need bodily integrity? Yes. (We need not be anymore graphic about rape than that.)

Does rape violate a person's right to bodily integrity? Yes.

One ought not rape another.

The discovery that oughts can be true enables us to draw the line between the objective and subjective aspects of morality.

The above in no way support an "objective morality".

VirOptimus · Oct 26, 2021

disciple Clint said:
God is not limited in any way.

You want to discuss the aspects of god(s) there are subfora for that, this isnt one of them.

o_mlly · Oct 26, 2021

VirOptimus said:
The above in no way support an "objective morality".

If you say so, Vir. Gosh, why didn't I see that?

VirOptimus · Oct 26, 2021

o_mlly said:
If you say so, Vir. Gosh, why didn't I see that?

Probably because you have not read any moral philosophy,.

o_mlly · Oct 26, 2021

VirOptimus said:
Probably because you have not read any moral philosophy,.

If you say so, Vir.

VirOptimus · Oct 26, 2021

o_mlly said:
If you say so, Vir.

Yes, I do. As the arguments for objective morality is quite different in philosophy and what you posted isnt sound logic.

o_mlly · Oct 26, 2021

VirOptimus said:
Yes, I do. As the arguments for objective morality is quite different in philosophy and what you posted isnt sound logic.

If you say so, Vir.

Larniavc · Oct 26, 2021

disciple Clint said:
Why Abiogenesis Is Impossible
https://trueorigin.org/abio.php

The subject is not abiogenesis. Me giving life to my son is not abiogenesis.

Belk · Oct 26, 2021

VirOptimus said:
Yes, I do. As the arguments for objective morality is quite different in philosophy and what you posted isnt sound logic.

It is like herding cats huh?

Bradskii · Oct 26, 2021

disciple Clint said:
God is not limited in any way.

Of course not. So if He decided to start life using the materials He had created in a time limit He decided and in a manner which He had designed then no-one could argue with that (just like we have discovered how He ensured life progressed after it had been formed using a process which we term 'evolution').

We know how he creates planets and stars and mountains and seasons. Let's see if we can find out how He started life on this planet.

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