Is there a need for Islam??

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

The Sayyids and the Lodis

The sultanate of Delhi survived for more than another century after the last Tughlaq. Two Afghan sultanates, the Sayyids and Lodis tried to restore some respectability and former glory to Delhi. In this attempt the Sayyids (1414-1451) failed and the Lodis (1451-1526) succeeded marginally. Khizr Khan is credited as the founder of the Sayyid dynasty. He was the governor of Multan (in Sindh), who took advantage of a power vacuum in Delhi. He imprisoned the ruler chosen by the nobles of Delhi, one Daulat Khan Lodi but managed to barely hold a shrinking empire together for seven years. After his death in 1421, his son Mubarak Khan held power until 1439, when he too succumbed to internal intrigue and conspiracy. The empire further splintered and the last of the Sayyids, Muhammad (son of Mubarak) abdicated the throne to Bahlul Khan Lodi in the year 1451 and retired.

The Sayyids: Khizr Khan –> Mubarak Khan –> Muhamamd Khan

The Lodi Dynasty

The Lodi dynasty lasted for seventy-five years. Bahlul Khan Lodi (1451-1489) and his son Sikandar Khan Lodi (1489-1517) managed to regain some of the territory that had been lost by the Sayyids due to inept administration. Sikandar, in 1504 founded a new town on the southern banks of River Jamuna called Agra. A violent earthquake in 1505 shattered buildings and buried thousands alive in Agra. A grand fort had been built in Agra that was in ruins after the earthquake. His nemesis, a raja Mansingh of Gwlior, continued to hold his own and this further weakened the Lodi power, leaving it vulnerable in Panjab for an Afghan ruler named Babur to take advantage of. Before his death in 1517 he built Moth ki Masjid (so called Mosque of Lentil) in Delhi. Legend has it that Sikandar picked up a single lentil and gave it to his minister to be sown, which resulted in bumper crops year after year, thus financing the mosque. The last of the Lodi’s was Ibrahim Khan (1517-1526), who was in a power struggle with his brother as well as the other nobles and ministers. Alam Khan, an uncle and Daulat Khan, the governor of Lahore conspired against him and invited Babur to invade Delhi. Ibrahim Khan Lodi lost his life in the battle of Panipat in 1526 and made way for the Mughal Empire. Lodi rulers had invited a large contingency of Afghan nobles to Delhi, which eventually came back to haunt them and result in the demise of Lodi dynasty. Ibrahim Lodi was unable to effectively control them and they betrayed him in the end.

The Lodis: Bahlul Khan –> Sikandar Khan –> Ibrahim Khan

Muslim immigration to India continued during this period, perhaps at a much faster pace than before. Influence of Delhi as powerhouse waned and several Muslim and non-Muslim states were born. Thus Gujarat was under sultan Ahmad Khan (founder of Ahmadabad), Malwa under Dilwar Khan. Bahmanid kingdom arose in the middle of 14th century ruled by sultans of Afghan descent. They ruled northern Karnataka whereas further south the glorious kingdom of Vijayanagra was born in the 1330’s. Kashmir, Bengal and Rajput states became independent states. The Muslim influence was decentralized until the appearance of the Mongols again. These newcomers were called Mughals and it was they who left a lasting impression on Hindu India. The assimilation of Hindu and Muslim religions progressed at a rapid pace after the establishment of Mughal kingdom by Babur in 1526.

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

I think the world does not deserve to exsit without Islam for many reasons :-

1- Islam is the Only religion which deprives its instructions directly from God Himself through His Book the Holy Quran, therefore , it is the Only True religion unless you do not believe in God.

Well said.

 

[the-fact-is]

I read somewhere that the biggest Jewel in the crown of Queen Elizabeth is stolen from India , I wonder why the Hindus never say anything about it , and continue to falsely claim attrocities from Muslims against them?

and why is that Only India suffered under the rule of Islam although we never heared of any resistance from the millions of nonMuslims Indians there inspite of their huge number compared to Muslims?

and why is it that Spain under the rule of Muslims was the center of knowlege and learning and India wasn't?

This leaves no explanation except one : It is clear that they are lying.

 

[saiful-Islam-Khattab]

I read somewhere that the biggest Jewel in the crown of Queen Elizabeth is stolen from India , I wonder why the Hindus never say anything about it , and continue to falsely claim attrocities from Muslims against them?

and why is that Only India suffered under the rule of Islam although we never heared of any resistance from the millions of nonMuslims Indians there inspite of their huge number compared to Muslims?

and why is it that Spain under the rule of Muslims was the center of knowlege and learning and India wasn't?

This leaves no explanation except one : It is clear that they are lying.

Yes the Kohinoor Jewels are in the Tower of London that was stolen by the British, yet the Indians are silent about that, but they make a lot of noise about Muslims invading them.Are you Indians frightened to mention what the british did or are they too good friend you do not want to raffle up their feathers , but rather rant ant rave every minute about what muslims did.
Thanx for bringing up this point the -fact -is.

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

Yes the Kohinoor Jewels are in the Tower of London that was stolen by the British, yet the Indians are silent about that, but they make a lot of noise about Muslims invading them.Are you Indians frightened to mention what the british did or are they too good friend you do not want to raffle up their feathers , but rather rant ant rave every minute about what muslims did.
Thanx for bringing up this point the -fact -is.

The Kohinoor was first looted by the Muslims and in-turn looted by the British. India seems to have been a free-for-all during those times.

BTW, the majority of Hindus could not crush the minority Muslim rulers simply because of the fact that the Muslims had "cannon-power".

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

Legend had it that the Koh-i-noor diamond is actually one piece of another legendary and even older diamond called Great Mogul. The priceless and sought-after gem is said to have weighed 240 karats and it mysteriously disappeared in 1665, never to be seen again. The first owner of the Koh-i-noor diamond was the Rajah of Malwa. Two hundred years later it was claimed by Sultan Babar, the first Mogul Emperor. He passed it on to successive generations of mogul rulers, including Shah Jehan, the builder of the Taj Mahal. When Nadir Shah of Persia overan Delhi in the early 1700’s, one of the possessions he seized was the Koh-i-noor diamond. It’s alleged that when he first saw the magnificent stone, he was overcome by its brilliance and cried out “Koh-i-noor!”, meaning “mountain of light” in the Urdu language. The gemstone was passed on or seized by other successive rulers until the beginning of the 19th century. The British had established rule in India by now and just before Queen Victoria’s Exhibition opened in London in 1851, her Chief Commissioner of the Punjab Province acquired the diamond. He immediately dispatched the Koh-i-noor to Queen Victoria who decided to display it at the Crystal Palace Exhibition. Her Majesty ordered the diamond re-cut after viewers were disappointed by the diamond’s lack of brilliance. Today the 108.93 oval brilliant adorns Elizabeth’s crown, along with 2800 smaller diamonds, and resides in the Tower of London with the rest of the Royal Family’s crown jewels.


Priceless jewels, particularly diamonds, have often been associated with bad luck, death, and curses. The Koh-i-noor is just such a gem. Accurate historical data about all those who laid claim to the diamond remains blurred in history. However it is known that the Shah of Persia died in a palace revolt trying to defend his treasures, including the Koh-i-noor. Thereafter successive Indian empires suffered misfortune and misery, including Ranjit Singh, whose own kingdom was eventually controlled by the conquering British. None of his 8 descendants were able to produce heirs and his entire royal line eventually disappeared. Legend also said that whoever shall possess the Koh-i-noor will one day rule the world and that no man shall dare wear it. Thus far any man who’s possessed the diamond has suffered ill luck, even death. Queens Victoria and Elizabeth are the only monarchs who have worn the Koh-i-noor and lived to tell about it. Is this an ancient Guru’s curse come full circle? Or simply coincidence? As long as the Koh-i-noor diamond, or Mountain of Light, resides safe inside the guarded tower of London, no one can say for certain.

As the Sex Pistols once said...."God Save The Queen"

 

[Iron Lion]

What a lovely post. You are very knowledgeable about Islam and I thank you for showing the truth to Farid. But dont be discouraged if he comes back with another post slandering Islam. It is the way of the ignorant, and others have made such claims during the time of the prophet Muhammad. But ignorance never prevails over truth.

and yet theres still more christians that muslims

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

Ok. Back to what the Muslim invaders did in India from their own perspective.

1. In 1008 AD Mahmud of Ghazni(now in Afghanistan) captured Nagarkot (Kangra). The loot amounted to 70,000,000 dirhams in coins and 700,400 mans of gold and silver, besides plenty of precious stones and embroidered cloths.

2. In 1011 AD he plundered Thanesar which was undefended, destroyed many temples, and broke a large number of idols. The chief idol, that of Chakraswamin, was taken to Ghazni and thrown into the public square for defilement under the feet of the faithful. According to Tarikh-i-Yamini of Utbi, Mahmud's secretary,

"The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously [at Thanesar] that the stream was discolored, notwithstanding its purity, and people were unable to drink it. The Sultan returned with plunder which is impossible to count. Praise he to Allah for the honor he bestows on Islam and Muslims."

3. In 1013 AD Mahmud advanced against Nandana where the Shahiya king, Anandapal, had established his new capital. The Hindus fought very hard but lost. Again, the temples were destroyed, and innocent citizens slaughtered. Utbi provides an account of the plunder and the prisoners of war


"The Sultan returned in the rear of immense booty, and slaves were so plentiful that they became very cheap and men of respectability in their native land were degraded by becoming slaves of common shopkeepers. But this is the goodness of Allah, who bestows honor on his own religion and degrades infidelity."

4. In December 1018 AD Mahmud crossed the Yamuna, collected 1,000,000 dirhams from Baran (Bulandshahar), and marched to Mahaban in Mathura district. Utbi records


"The infidels...deserted the fort and tried to cross the foaming river...but many of them were slain, taken or drowned... Nearly fifty thousand men were killed."

5. Mathura was the next victim. Mahmud seized five gold idols weighing 89,300 missals and 200 silver idols. According to Utbi,

"The Sultan gave orders that all the temples should be burnt with naptha and fire, and levelled with the ground." The pillage of the city continued for 20 days

6. Mahmud now turned towards Kanauj which had been the seat of several Hindu dynasties. Utbi continues

"In Kanauj there were nearly ten thousand temples... Many of the inhabitants of the place fled in consequence of witnessing the fate of their deaf and dumb idols. Those who did not fly were put to death. The Sultan gave his soldiers leave to plunder and take prisoners."

7. The Brahmins of Munj, which was attacked next, fought to the last man after throwing their wives and children into fire. The fate of Asi was sealed when its ruler took fright and fled. According to Utbi,

".... the Sultan ordered that his five forts should be demolished from their foundations, the inhabitants buried in their ruins, and the soldiers of the garrison plundered, slain and captured".

8. Shrawa, the next important place to be invaded, met the same fate. Utbi concludes



"The Muslims paid no regard to the booty till they had satiated themselves with the slaughter of the infidels and worshipers of sun and fire. The friends of Allah searched the bodies of the slain for three days in order to obtain booty...The booty amounted in gold and silver, rubies and pearls nearly to three hundred thousand dirhams, and the number of prisoners may be conceived from the fact that each was sold for two to ten dirhams. These were afterwards taken to Ghazni and merchants came from distant cities to purchase them, so that the countries of Mawaraun-Nahr, Iraq and Khurasan were filled with them, and the fair and the dark, the rich and the poor, were commingled in one common slavery."

9. Mahmud's sack of Somnath is too well-known to be retold here. What needs emphasizing is that the fragments of the famous Sivalinga were carried to Ghazni. Some of them were turned into steps of the Jama Masjid in that city. The rest were sent to Mecca, Medina, and Baghdad to be desecrated in the same manner.

Mahmud's son Masud tried to follow in the footsteps of his father. In 1037 AD he succeeded in sacking the fort of Hansi which was defended very bravely by the Hindus. The Tarikh-us-Subuktigin records

"The Brahmins and other high ranking men were slain, and their women and children were carried away captive, and all the treasure which was found was distributed among the army."

 

[Muslim]

and yet theres still more christians that muslims

That is true. But how many of those so called Christians are actually practicing? I know plenty of people who would call themselves Christians just so that they could be a part of some religion. They do not go to Church and do not read the Bible. Would they still be considered Christians according to the standards set by Christianity?

 

[Iron Lion]

how many muslims only follow islam by culture and truley know the quran and its teachings and all its rules?

How many get to meccas?

you get what im getting at

at islams rate of converting your gonna need another 5000 years to convert everyone and thats asuming people are gonna freely give up there will.

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

Now let me move on to the holy deeds of Mohammad of Ghor and his successors in the words of their own historians.

1. Muhammad Ghori's capture of Kanauj and Varanasi: According the Taj-ul-Ma'sir of Hasan Nizami,

"In Benares which is the centre of the country of Hind, they destroyed one thousand temples and raised mosques on their foundations".

According to Kamil-ut-Tawarikh of Ibn Asir,

"The slaughter of Hindus (at Varanasi) was immense; none were spared except women and children, and the carnage of men went on until the earth was weary."

2. Qutbuddin Aibak suppressed a Hindu revolt at Kol(Aligarh) in 1193. In the words of Hasan Nizami,

"He raisedthree bastions as high as heaven with their heads, and their carcases became food for beasts of prey. The tract was freed from idols and idol worship and the foundations of infidelism were destroyed."

I don't even feel like continuing any further.

It is only the Hindus' intention of peace and goodwill that has resulted in relative calm between Hindus and Muslims even after these atrocities. We want to forgive. But we will never forget.

 

[Farid]

It is sad to see how people of so to say the west are so mis informed about other nations

I am not from the Western society Saif. I lived in one of the biggest islamic countries most of my life thus far. I lived with muslims, had to memorize passages from the quran at school, knew how they behave, know the language and could read the quran, lived to hear all the aggressive sermons your Sheikhs used to say on TV/radio, to arouse muslim against the infidels. Don't think western people are the only people to got islam right. We too got it even better because we lived it for years and years, and still live it.

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

I am not from the Western society Saif. I lived in one of the biggest islamic countries most of my life thus far. I lived with muslims, had to memorize passages from the quran at school, knew how they behave, know the language and could read the quran, lived to hear all the aggressive sermons your Sheikhs used to say on TV/radio, to arouse muslim against the infidels. Don't think western people are the only people to got islam right. We too got it even better because we lived it for years and years, and still live it.

That was a true, powerful post, from one who has experienced it first hand!

 

[Farid]

In most arab countries and muslim countries very few muslims have more than one wife. Islam allows it but it is not the rule.

Again im talking about the religion islam, not muslims. So talk about Christianity not what weak Christians do. Talk about Hinduism, not what weak Hindus. So if you wanna talk, talk about islam using facts from quran and history, not feeling and pointing fingers to others.

 

[Bevlina]

I am not from the Western society Saif. I lived in one of the biggest islamic countries most of my life thus far. I lived with muslims, had to memorize passages from the quran at school, knew how they behave, know the language and could read the quran, lived to hear all the aggressive sermons your Sheikhs used to say on TV/radio, to arouse muslim against the infidels. Don't think western people are the only people to got islam right. We too got it even better because we lived it for years and years, and still live it.

Wow...that is one powerful post! Where in the world do you live farid?

 

[TheTempleTeam]

If anyone has a Qu'ran close by could they please look up Sura 3:57 I think that's it, I hope I don't offend anyone if I paraphrase? I'm a student at Aberdeen University studying Divinty and I've been very interested in my courses involving Islam, especially as I have a Sufi Muslim as a 'World Religions' lecturer. I believe it was 'For Allah loves not those who transgress'. I find this is tough for Islam if it is to identify itself with Love as there are very few of us out there who can claim to be perfect (to not 'transgress'), I'm led to believe however that prophets are perfect? I'm very much just looking to experts in Islam or Muslims to clarify this, no offence intended Thanks, Dave.

 

[gaijin178]

The version of the Qu'ran that I have says from Surah 3:56-57: As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor with they have anyone to help. 57: As to those who believe and work righteousness, Allah with pay them their reward; but Allah does not love those who do wrong.

It sounds like it is tough for God to love anyone since I know that we have all done wrong at one point in our life or another.

 

[TheTempleTeam]

Thank you Gaijin, that was the verse I was looking for, slightly different translation, I think your translation may be more recent. Thank You.

 

[Farid]

That is true. But how many of those so called Christians are actually practicing? I know plenty of people who would call themselves Christians just so that they could be a part of some religion. They do not go to Church and do not read the Bible. Would they still be considered Christians according to the standards set by Christianity?

Well said muslim!
That is true, in every religion, regardless of wether it 's good or bad, you will find people who practise it and those who do not practise it. That is why it is always important to look at the religion not the people.
From Christianity, we learn that God does not like sin, but He loves sinners and so He tries in everyway to bring them out of their sin.

 

[Farid]

The version of the Qu'ran that I have says from Surah 3:56-57: As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor with they have anyone to help. 57: As to those who believe and work righteousness, Allah with pay them their reward; but Allah does not love those who do wrong.

It sounds like it is tough for God to love anyone since I know that we have all done wrong at one point in our life or another.

islam call allah 99 names, "asmaa allah alhosna" arabic for "the good names of allah". they include all sorts of names and titles that other religions would call upon the worst robbers. Yet, islam lack to call God love! Amazing, isn't it? How can i feel God (or allah) love me in islam? How can i, when he did not show that love to me. Unlike Christianity, where God Himself took flesh and made die on the cross to save me. this is a loving God that would do the impossible for me. This is love!