Is there a need for Islam??

[rahma]

Plus who on earth is Fatima?

Fatima (ra) was the Prophet's daughter, and will be the cheif of all women in paradise.

Aishah was the child, Muhammeds 3rd wife at only 9.

Remembe rthough, it wasn't until khadija had died before he took on more than one women. He was married to Khadija for 25 years, but after her death he seemed to want to marry more than one.

Actually, the Prophet (saws) did not want to marry anyone. His companions had to coax him out of the somberness that followed Khadija's (ra) death and convince him to marry many of the women in the community who needed protection.

But don't you see? Whilst not every single male Muslim has more than one wife, he is ALLOWED to have more than one wife.

But only if he can be fair. If not, he will be punished in the here after. Just, Islam allows polygany, nothing we muslims didn't know before.

 

[S Walch]

Fatima (ra) was the Prophet's daughter, and will be the cheif of all women in paradise.

I knew that fatima was Muhammaeds daughter, but it was more of a "who on earth is Fatima? he didn't have a wife named fatima" which is what TTT stated

Actually, the Prophet (saws) did not want to marry anyone. His companions had to coax him out of the somberness that followed Khadija's (ra) death and convince him to marry many of the women in the community who needed protection.

But he quite easily could have said no could he have not? Whether he wanted to marry more than one is not on hte cards, the fact is he did marry more than one at a time, well, afte Khadija's death.

But only if he can be fair. If not, he will be punished in the here after. Just, Islam allows polygany, nothing we muslims didn't know before.

But still, a Muslim man is allowed to marry more than one wife. A Woman can't marry more than one husband.

 

[TheTempleTeam]

Sorry, Fatima = Ayesha, who was in fact 6? Unless I'm mistaken, as I already have been

 

[Farid]

Prophet Muhammad (PbUH) said, the paradise under Mothers's Foots.

this hadith clarify how Islam appreciate women
Doesn't that enough to stop slanders?.

This is only to show honour to the mother. It had nothing to do with women being equal to men. Or else, the quran must mean those who are not mothers, i.e. have no children, are of a less status.

 

[Farid]

Did you see Every Muslim has 4 wifes.!? those who married more than one is the minority from Muslims.
you will not Understand humankind better than who created them!?
God Created everybody and he gave them the laws, he knows them and he knows what is suitable for them.

You still do NOT get the point. we talk about islam not muslims and what they do. ISLAM ALLOWED MORE THAN 1 WOMAN. THIS MEANS WOMEN ARE NOT EQUAL TO MEN IN ISLAM. TOGETHER WITH ALL THE OTHER PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED IMPURITIES OF ISLAM, WE CAN EASILY CONCLUDE THAT ISLAM IS NOT FROM THE TRUE GOD BUT FROM SATAN. THIS IS TO KEEP YOU BUSY AND AWAY FROM YOUR SALVATION.

 

[Farid]

Actually, the Prophet (saws) did not want to marry anyone. His companions had to coax him out of the somberness that followed Khadija's (ra) death and convince him to marry many of the women in the community who needed protection.

• WAS NOT THERE ANY OTHER WAY TO PROTECT WOMEN OTHER THAN TO MARRY THEM?
• MOHAMED WAS CONVINCED BY HIS FOLLOWERS. DOES THAT MEAN HE DID NOT LOVE THOSE WHOM HE MARRIED?

WHAT SORT OF MARRIAGE AND CARE IS THAT? IS THAT TRUELY FROM A PURE AND LOVING GOD?

 

[Bookofknowledge]

You still do NOT get the point. we talk about islam not muslims and what they do. ISLAM ALLOWED MORE THAN 1 WOMAN. THIS MEANS WOMEN ARE NOT EQUAL TO MEN IN ISLAM. TOGETHER WITH ALL THE OTHER PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED IMPURITIES OF ISLAM, WE CAN EASILY CONCLUDE THAT ISLAM IS NOT FROM THE TRUE GOD BUT FROM SATAN. THIS IS TO KEEP YOU BUSY AND AWAY FROM YOUR SALVATION.

Do you view TV now-a-days which shows 50 women competing for 1 bachelor?

Guess what, during the end of world women will be more in numbers then men... Islam only allow 4 wives only if the man can afford to treat all of them equally..

50 to compete for 1 man, this is just the beginning where we see 50 women competing for 1 man, it will not be a long time when we will begin to realize the western culture is going to exceed beyond its limits... It has exceeded it's limit but its going to go break current records.

Don’t you see TV shows like swap wife, where they actually promoting spouses to go and live in the house of another man?

Look at the percentage of women in world, I see its growing. I am not against women but the question arise is when the ratio becomes 2:1 what will be the choice left for the other female?

If she is not married then she can not have a partner... If she is not married and has a partner then she commited a SIN + voilated the rights of some once wife.

 

[Farid]

Guess what, during the end of world women will be more in numbers then men... Islam only allow 4 wives only if the man can afford to treat all of them equally..
50 to compete for 1 man, this is just the beginning where we see 50 women competing for 1 man

• If this is your argument, that at the end of times women will be as many as 50 times men. then islam or the god of islam should have made a man to marry 50 women, not only 4

• if islam allowed 1 man to 4 women, then at the end of times we should see the number of women in the world to be 4 times that of men, for the quran to be right.

• if islam was to meet the needs of everyone and every culture as you muslims claim, why didn't it account for the nations were men exceed women and allowed women to marry more than one man.

• why didn't the quran leave it open for both men and women to marry more than one depending on who is in excess

• don't you think that at certain time in history and a certain place the number of men exceeded the number of women. In that case, the quran failed to meet the needs of this time and place.

• FINALLY, I THINK MUSLIMS TRY TO DEFEND THE QURAN USING WHATEVER LOGIC THAT CAN GET TO, WHETHER THIS WAS WHAT GOD WANTED OR NOT. THIS IS NOT GOOD OR HEALTHY!

Don’t you see TV shows like swap wife, where they actually promoting spouses to go and live in the house of another man?

This is impurity and lack of morals of whoever does it. I certainly don't like it or even like to watch such programs of this nature.

However, in islam if a woman gets divorced 3 times by her husband, she will need to marry another man (and have sex with him) even for an hour, and get divorced in order to get back to the first husband.
Don't you think this is similar to the TV program you're talking about. It is the same immoral value behind it.

 

[Disciple4Christ]

Why do you people want to learn about something that isnt truth?

 

[Disciple4Christ]

One Love, One God, and only one way. SO forget the other religions and spread the good news, Jesus is coming soon for his followers!!!!

 

[Farid]

Why do you people want to learn about something that isnt truth?

Sometimes, there is a need to show others how your religion is true and theirs is untrue. In one of the Epistles in the Bible (sorry can't remember where) it says that we should be ready to answer back about the cause of our Hope. Now our Hope is God the Lord Christ. So we should be well equipped to answer why we are Christians and to try to show others what midleadings they have being put through and get them closer to Christ.

i really admire your point though, because it is very true. we should rather focus on our own salvation. The lord said "what shall it benefit a man if he gains the whole world but looses his own soul". Also saint paul the Apostle said what means that we should care for our salvation unless after we preach to others we ourselves miss out on Heaven with our Lord, if we forget or neglect our spiritual life and growth.

 

[ServantofTheOne]

"if islam was to meet the needs of everyone and every culture as you muslims claim, why didn't it account for the nations were men exceed women and allowed women to marry more than one man."

indeed islam is a practical religion and it is a guidance for mankind.

You contend that women in islam are treated unfairly because they are not equally allowed more than one spouse.


1. If a man has more than one wife, the parents of the children born of such marriages can easily be identified. The father as well as the mother can easily be identified. In case of a woman marrying more than one husband, only the mother of the children born of such marriages will be identified and not the father. Islam gives tremendous importance to the identification of both parents, mother and father. Psychologists tell us that children who do not know their parents, especially their father undergo severe mental trauma and disturbances. Often they have an unhappy childhood. It is for this reason that the children of prostitutes do not have a healthy childhood. If a child born of such wedlock is admitted in school, and when the mother is asked the name of the father, she would have to give two or more names! I am aware that recent advances in science have made it possible for both the mother and father to be identified with the help of genetic testing. Thus this point which was applicable for the past may not be applicable for the present.

2. Man is more polygamous by nature as compared to a woman.
3. Biologically, it is easier for a man to perform his duties as a husband despite having several wives. A woman, in a similar position, having several husbands, will not find it possible to perform her duties as a wife. A woman undergoes several psychological and behavioral changes due to different phases of the menstrual cycle.
4. A woman who has more than one husband will have several sexual partners at the same time and has a high chance of acquiring venereal or sexually transmitted diseases which can also be transmitted back to her husband even if all of them have no extra-marital sex. This is not the case in a man having more than one wife, and none of them having extra-marital sex.
The above reasons are those that one can easily identify. There are probably many more reasons why Allah, in His Infinite Wisdom, has prohibited polyandry.

http://www.allaahuakbar.net/womens/polyandry.htm

 

[Bookofknowledge]

• If this is your argument, that at the end of times women will be as many as 50 times men. then islam or the god of islam should have made a man to marry 50 women, not only 4

• if islam allowed 1 man to 4 women, then at the end of times we should see the number of women in the world to be 4 times that of men, for the quran to be right.

• if islam was to meet the needs of everyone and every culture as you muslims claim, why didn't it account for the nations were men exceed women and allowed women to marry more than one man.

• why didn't the quran leave it open for both men and women to marry more than one depending on who is in excess

• don't you think that at certain time in history and a certain place the number of men exceeded the number of women. In that case, the quran failed to meet the needs of this time and place.

every thing comes back to the root cause - this world is a trail and Qur'aan says the believers are those who say we hear and obey... This world and it's luxury is created for mankind but mankind is created to obey...

Obey who? command of GOD. So those who are believer will know for fact that even if they are gifted with 100 miss worlds their limit will not exceed beyond 4 wives.

I don't recall in history where they were more females then male...

However, in islam if a woman gets divorced 3 times by her husband, she will need to marry another man (and have sex with him) even for an hour, and get divorced in order to get back to the first husband.
Don't you think this is similar to the TV program you're talking about. It is the same immoral value behind it.

No I don't think this is similar to the TV Program because it's not even close to what restrictions Islamic law adhere for husband and wife...

The divorce waiting period itself is 3-4 months so one can not just marry for an hour and get back to the first husband. during this 3-4 months divorce waiting period the wife has full rights, the husband can not force her out of house or voilate her rights and during this waiting period there is reconsiliation if they choose not to divorce. They must have a valid reason to divorce at the first place...

Imagine the wife saying to the second husband "O my first husband is a fool, he divorce me 3 times but now he regret and wants to get back - this type of behaviour is unacceptable and every husband knows that 3 is the limit that there will be no more reconsiliation..."

It's not that easy to divorce your second husband and marry back the first one and marrage is not a game...and illegal relationship without marriage is a sin.

 

[Farid]

1. If a man has more than one wife, the parents of the children born of such marriages can easily be identified. The father as well as the mother can easily be identified. In case of a woman marrying more than one husband, only the mother of the children born of such marriages will be identified and not the father.

IM SURE YOU HAVE HEARD OF GENETIC IDENTIFICATION. NOWADAYS, IT IS VERY SIMPLE TO KNOW WHO THE TRUE FATHER IS. OR DIDN'T THE QURAN PREDICT SUCH A TECHNOLOGY?

3. Biologically, it is easier for a man to perform his duties as a husband despite having several wives. A woman, in a similar position, having several husbands, will not find it possible to perform her duties as a wife. A woman undergoes several psychological and behavioral changes due to different phases of the menstrual cycle.

THIS IS NOT TRUE. SCIENTIFICALLY SPEAKING A MAN CAN HAVE ONLY ONE [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] AND THEN MUST GO THROUGHA REFRACTORY PERIOD. ON THE OTHER HAND A WOMAN CAN HAVE MORE THAN TWO [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] AND HAS NO REFRACTORY PERIOD

4. A woman who has more than one husband will have several sexual partners at the same time and has a high chance of acquiring venereal or sexually transmitted diseases which can also be transmitted back to her husband even if all of them have no extra-marital sex. This is not the case in a man having more than one wife, and none of them having extra-marital sex.

• THERE ARE CONDOMS TO PROTECT FROM SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES
• IN MOST CASES OF HIV IN COUNTRIES IN AFRICA, WOMEN ARE MORE PRONE BECAUSE OF THEIR HUSBANDS GETTING TO HAVE SEX WITH MORE THAN A WOMAN
• A WOMAN HAVING MANY HUSBANDS WOULD HAVE THE SAME CHANCE OF CONTRACTING STD'S AS A MAN MARRIED TO MORE THAN A WOMAN. IT IS THE SAME PROBABILITY.

 

[The_true_path]

This is only to show honour to the mother. It had nothing to do with women being equal to men. Or else, the quran must mean those who are not mothers, i.e. have no children, are of a less status.

No not only for mothers but be also for all women.
Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) always stressed the fact that men should treat their women in a fair way and never to use violence in dealing with them. He said:
'Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should not harm his neighbors. And I command you to take good care of the women.' (Bukhari)
Even when women misbehave, tolerance and not violence is recommended, as a way to solve the problem. The Prophet (pbuh) said:
'No believing man should hate a believing woman, if he hates one of her manners, he should be satisfied with another.'
The same meaning is repeated in a heavenly advice for husbands through the Qur'an - the holy book of Muslims - that says:
... live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good.
Surah 4 Verse 19

Again, the Prophet (pbuh) stressed this meaning, saying:
'The believers who have the best manners are those who have the most perfect faith. The best amongst you are the best towards their wives.' (Tirmidhi)
criticized
He also criticized those who misbehave towards women saying:
'Many women come to Muhammad's family members to complain about their husbands, those men are not the best amongst you.' (Ibn Magah)

 

[ServantofTheOne]

IM SURE YOU HAVE HEARD OF GENETIC IDENTIFICATION. NOWADAYS, IT IS VERY SIMPLE TO KNOW WHO THE TRUE FATHER IS. OR DIDN'T THE QURAN PREDICT SUCH A TECHNOLOGY?

as i said before islam is a practical way of life. Many non muslims will disagree or will not understand the guidance of islam.

Islam is the ONLY religion and way of life with comprehensive guidance on all matters concerning the life of people. We have definitive guidelines that we can refer to when deciding right from wrong, and deciding what to do and what not to do.

Other religions have certain positive aspects and spiritual guidance but NONE have the comprehensiveness of islam.

If you know of a religion that is more comprehensive than islam, then please suggest it with evidence.

 

[ServantofTheOne]

farid, can you give me a religion that is more comprehensive than islam.

 

[Star_Pixels]

Love? How, when it was spread by force, killing those people that lived peacefully in their countries, e.g. Egypt. Islam is still agressive; consider suicide bombers to know how unmerciful it is.

And what about the Spanish Inquisitions and Salem Witch trials? Perhaps we shall remember those and the reign of the popes who tortured and raped countless protestants?

• Peace? All islamic countries are full of contentions and hatred, even for the harmless minorities.

We could say that about Christian nations too, and Buddhist nations. There are just a few radicals who will do those things. Unfortunately, a religion doesn't change a man who refuses to be changed.

• Purity? What a joke! Consider the 70 virgins and boys in islamic paradise.

70 Virgins? I thought it was noticably less, and there aren't any "boys" in paradise unless they've died. In the Islamic cultures, people are plenty sexually pure.

• Justice? When you discover your husband is married to another 3 women at the same time? Or when the woman inherits half what the man does. Or when the testemony of one man equals that of two women before courts.

Only rulers have more than one wife and women only inherit half in America. But according to the bible, the first born son recieves more than anybody, including his sisters, who might or might not be older than him.

• Joy? Look at most Muslims, and you will see the misery in their thoughts and actions. See their frustruations when you question their islam?

The same frustrations when you question Christianity in front of a Christian? Or the same frustrations that anybody gets when somebody calls them lying, impure suicide bomber radical terrorists?

• Truth? Complete denial when you prove a point. They cannot admit they are wrong, because they know once they do admit, it is the end of islam.

Oy vey! Am I the only one who has argued with a Christian before?


Christianity and Islam both have much to put on the table and much to take out. However, we aren't going to solve anything by pointing fingers and calling one another bad names.

The Muslims in America aren't hurting anybody. Nor are the Muslims that are supporting Bush right now. Only radical extremists are hurting anybody and really religion doesn't matter in those certain cases.

 

[Farid]

as i said before islam is a practical way of life. Many non muslims will disagree or will not understand the guidance of islam.

Islam is the ONLY religion and way of life with comprehensive guidance on all matters concerning the life of people. We have definitive guidelines that we can refer to when deciding right from wrong, and deciding what to do and what not to do.

Other religions have certain positive aspects and spiritual guidance but NONE have the comprehensiveness of islam.

If you know of a religion that is more comprehensive than islam, then please suggest it with evidence.

This is irrelevant to the points i have made Servant.
Also what do you mean by comprehensive? Covering all aspects of life? Or saying one things in a sura and then denying it again in another sura? Is that what you means by comprehensive? You have not answered back on the points i mentioned, it seems you wanna change topics!

 

[Farid]

The Muslims in America aren't hurting anybody. Nor are the Muslims that are supporting Bush right now. Only radical extremists are hurting anybody and really religion doesn't matter in those certain cases.

Do you know why? because they have no power to do it right now? Islam is aggressive by nature. This is how it was spread and this is why it would spread if allowed to. It is now like a snake taking a different skin colour to suit the environment, but when it has the chance it will attack.