Is the theory of evolution moral and ethical

[SteveB28]

I would expect an educated person to show more humility, yet the scriptures do say that knowledge puffs up the ego. That's why God makes mans wisdom foolishness. That's why he allows man to believe that he evolved from apes.

Isn't it amazing then, that at every single instance of a conflict between a religious and scientific interpretation of reality, that science has been able to point to the truth?

 

[Poster0]

Assuming that man evolved from the same line as apes, this would suggest that mans earliest ancestor was actually less intelligent than an ape. The ape evolved and became more intelligent, and we evolved from that same line, therefore our earliest ancestor was actually less intelligent than an ape.

 

[SteveB28]

WE evolved from something that looked like an ape, lived like an ape, and was no smarter than a chimp. Forgive me if I call it an ape.

You are forgiven. After all, you have already demonstrated a lamentably poor understanding of much of biology, so elementary errors are inevitable.

 

[SteveB28]

Assuming that man evolved from the same line as apes, this would suggest that mans earliest ancestor was actually less intelligent than an ape. The ape evolved and became more intelligent, and we evolved from that same line, therefore our earliest ancestor was actually less intelligent than an ape.

Yes, that would be closer to our present understanding.

 

[Poster0]

Isn't it amazing then, that at every single instance of a conflict between a religious and scientific interpretation of reality, that science has been able to point to the truth?

You seem to be asserting a bit of illogical stereotype.

 

[Poster0]

You are forgiven. After all, you have already demonstrated a lamentably poor understanding of much of biology, so elementary errors are inevitable.

Yes, and you display immaturity with the childish baiting.

 

[SteveB28]

You seem to be asserting a bit of illogical stereotype.

How so? Show me where my logic breaks down. I challenge you to find me an instance of reality being shown to be more accurately portrayed by a religious viewpoint, when it was in conflict with science.

 

[SteveB28]

Yes, and you display immaturity with the childish baiting.

Did YOU not apologise for your ignorance? Did YOU not seek forgiveness?

 

[Poster0]

Did YOU not apologise for your ignorance? Did YOU not seek forgiveness?

Please grow up, thank you.

 

[SteveB28]

Please grow up, thank you.

Please answer my challenge.

 

[Poster0]

Please answer my challenge.

I already went through adolescence, its not much of a challenge anymore

 

[Strathos]

What's so off-putting about accepting that we're more intelligent than our ancestors were? In general, people today are more intelligent than they were 1000 years ago, aren't they? God gave us the capacity to learn and become more intelligent, both individually and as a species.

 

[SteveB28]

I already went through adolescence, its not much of a challenge anymore

Why is the exercise adolescent?? YOU claimed something to the effect that your God would make man's wisdom into foolishness.

Fine. Give me just one example wherein our understanding of reality has been best explained by a religious or scriptural interpretation, when science has had a contrary view.

If what you claim is true, you should have no difficulty in finding just one example?

 

[Poster0]

What's so off-putting about accepting that we're more intelligent than our ancestors were? In general, people today are more intelligent than they were 1000 years ago, aren't they? God gave us the capacity to learn and become more intelligent, both individually and as a species.

WE are not more intelligent than our ancestors were. Technological advancement is most likely due to freedom, not evolution. Our ancestors were not as dumb as we assume. THey didn't have the freedom or financial recourses that we have in todays modern world. It also took certain advancements to fuel this technology revolution that we are experiencing

However, none of this means we are smarter. Even our ancestors, who worshiped dumb idols, never believed that we evolved from apes. WE are just as foolish as they were, and they were just as intelligent as we are.

 

[Poster0]

Why is the exercise adolescent?? YOU claimed something to the effect that your God would make man's wisdom into foolishness.

Fine. Give me just one example wherein our understanding of reality has been best explained by a religious or scriptural interpretation, when science has had a contrary view.

If what you claim is true, you should have no difficulty in finding just one example?

Your original response was a stereotype, and I was referring to your baiting anyway, not your stereotype.

 

[SteveB28]

Your original response was a stereotype, and I was referring to your baiting anyway, not your stereotype.

What "stereotype"? What do you mean?

Are you able to meet my challenge or not? Remember, YOU made the claim that "man's wisdom" becomes "foolishness" in the face of your god's supposed word. If that is so, then it should be quite easy to find me one example of a religious interpretation that bests that provided by man's "wisdom".

Why do you find it so challenging to give me one such example?

 

[Poster0]

What "stereotype"? What do you mean?

Are you able to meet my challenge or not? Remember, YOU made the claim that "man's wisdom" becomes "foolishness" in the face of your god's supposed word. If that is so, then it should be quite easy to find me one example of a religious interpretation that bests that provided by man's "wisdom".

Why do you find it so challenging to give me one such example?

Actually, that's not what I said or implied. If I were like the evolutionists on this forum, I would be calling you a complete idiot for not understanding my words, but i'll spare you that nonsense. The bible says that God makes the wisdom of this world foolishness, and I said that's most likely why he allows man to believe that he evolved from apes. He doesn't make the worlds wisdom foolish through debate though, because the bible also teaches that we should not argue with a fool, or we will be just like them.

 

[quatona]

If I were like the evolutionists on this forum, I would be calling you a complete idiot for not understanding my words, but i'll spare you that nonsense.

Too late.

 

[Strathos]

WE are not more intelligent than our ancestors were. Technological advancement is most likely due to freedom, not evolution. Our ancestors were not as dumb as we assume. THey didn't have the freedom or financial recourses that we have in todays modern world. It also took certain advancements to fuel this technology revolution that we are experiencing

However, none of this means we are smarter. Even our ancestors, who worshiped dumb idols, never believed that we evolved from apes. WE are just as foolish as they were, and they were just as intelligent as we are.

We know more now than we did in the past. Over 1000 years, the potential intelligence of any given human is not likely to vary that much, but over longer time scales the difference becomes more pronounced.

 

[SteveB28]

Actually, that's not what I said or implied. If I were like the evolutionists on this forum, I would be calling you a complete idiot for not understanding my words, but i'll spare you that nonsense. The bible says that God makes the wisdom of this world foolishness, and I said that's most likely why he allows man to believe that he evolved from apes. He doesn't make the worlds wisdom foolish through debate though, because the bible also teaches that we should not argue with a fool, or we will be just like them.

Here is, exactly, what you said:

I would expect an educated person to show more humility, yet the scriptures do say that knowledge puffs up the ego. That's why God makes mans wisdom foolishness. That's why he allows man to believe that he evolved from apes.

I have emboldened the relevant section. You claim that your God makes man's wisdom into foolishness. Very well. I challenge you to provide me with just one example of that ever happening. 'Man's wisdom' is essentially the scientific process we have employed to garner our knowledge of our world. And there is no doubt that there have been many instances of those relying upon a religious interpretation of your 'god's word' having a major disagreement with the conclusions achieved by science.

Let me illustrate possibly the most famous example. The universal religious interpretation of scripture was that the earth was the centre of the universe and that all else revolved around it. Then came Copernicus and Gallileo with their 'man's wisdom' which radically opposed such a view.

Who was shown to be foolish?

Can you find me an example of the roles being reversed?