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You've been told and refuse to listen. You're only arguing. Why do you continue to think you can hoodwink us into participating in a lie? You're not the Holy Spirit leading us.
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You've been told and refuse to listen. You're only arguing. Why do you continue to think you can hoodwink us into participating in a lie? You're not the Holy Spirit leading us.So when was the Sabbath made if not at creation?
And he's correct. Hows bout that?Originally Posted by Sophrosyne
That is how you regard God's holy word when it does not say what you want?
Ex 20:11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Gen. 2: 1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
You would have all of the christian world believe that these are not the same? Even after God said it Himself! Fantastic!
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Quoting Exodus 20:8 in its entirety, it says "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." God's use of a verb in the present tense does not help your argument at all. Now, look at your time stamp provided by CF's server:Why did God say remember the Sabbath?
I can't hear your words when your actions scream so loudly. You forgot the Sabbath.21st June 2014, 07:14 AM
I don't "reject" the Sabbath as you are asserting in order to reject it, it must be a valid option for Christians and IMO the Sabbath has no meaning for us. I could see rejecting it if I were Jewish or an Israeli because then it would be applicable to some extent.6 Not at all, it is that you would reject the Sabbath much more so than you would homosexuality. For The seventh day Sabbath is mentioned as part of creation week before sin entered this word, blessed, sanctified, and hollowed by God and you reject it because you did not see " worship God on the Sabbath" written down before Sinai. There is no direct command against Homosexuality, stealing, murder, adultery, idolatry or coveting before Sinai either, but you will accept those as being in existence. That his pure hypocrisy. You really believe that you can stand before God with such an argument.
Nope... God's creation Sabbath is God's Sabbath..... NOT man's. God never started creating again nor is man required to create for 6 days and rest for the rest of his life never working again.Originally Posted by Sophrosyne
Ex 20:11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Gen. 2: 1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
You would have all of the christian world believe that these are not the same? Even after God said it Himself! Fantastic!
I have purposely highlighted "Scratch's" question and my reply. Would you still insist that I did not address the point?Elder111: Nowhere did you address the point 'from scratch' made. If you demand that we accept your argument that Scripture is uninspired and self-contradictory, why then do you bother to quote Scripture you consider an invalid and unreliable testimony?
There is no command to worship God only either! So!There also isn't any command nor instruction to keep the Sabbath prior to leaving Egypt.
God is a liar? Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:You've been told and refuse to listen. You're only arguing. Why do you continue to think you can hoodwink us into participating in a lie? You're not the Holy Spirit leading us.
All men!Who did God say this to?
What ever do you mean?Quoting Exodus 20:8 in its entirety, it says "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." God's use of a verb in the present tense does not help your argument at all. Now, look at your time stamp provided by CF's server:
I can't hear your words when your actions scream so loudly. You forgot the Sabbath.
So what God made holy and sanctified is not applicable to you?I don't "reject" the Sabbath as you are asserting in order to reject it, it must be a valid option for Christians and IMO the Sabbath has no meaning for us. I could see rejecting it if I were Jewish or an Israeli because then it would be applicable to some extent.
The point is that no law was mentioned. Your argument is that the Sabbath was not commanded, the same basic must apply to the other laws if we are going to be fair. Now if you are going to argue that because of what happened in the record of scripture with out a direct command indicate that law must have been known and understood, then the same must apply to the Sabbath. Particularly in light of the fact that it was made sacred by God. Even more so when it is shown to be sacred and holy before man's fall.As for your argument that there was no direct commands against things such as murder we can see that the human conscience knew that such things were on a level wrong when Cain slew able he knew it was wrong.
One can posit that idolatry is a part of not believing in God as some of the other sins and the bible in the NT talks about those not believing and sin and also Paul himself says that those who don't know the Law AT ALL "keep" a form of the law themselves. One could contend that throughout the Bible those who don't directly know God but try to know him and follow him would also exhibit similar traits as to not murdering others and stealing and adultery. We see throughout civilization that whole nations who have no connection to God exhibit laws that deal with most of these topics if people didn't somehow know that it was wrong on some level then they would allow murder and stealing. We don't see any other nation in history EVER keeping a Sabbath AND ever requiring the penalty of DEATH for breaking it. The harshest nation today in some countries has Death penalties for some of these sins and they aren't Christian at all.
You are describing yourself.In other words your Sabbath argument AGAIN is trying to prove it from silence totally throwing logic and reality in the trash, stomping on the trash can, while screaming there is no trash can here when it is painted bright orange and has a flashing light and siren on top of it and all the Christians in the neighborhood are watching in shock....
Where do you understand that God need to rest? Working 6 24 hour days made God tired? So who is keeping the world if God is resting?Nope... God's creation Sabbath is God's Sabbath..... NOT man's. God never started creating again nor is man required to create for 6 days and rest for the rest of his life never working again.
We have more logic thrown in the bright orange trash can and another stomp fest here......
Not if it is God's property only. God rested on the sabbath and his rest from creation is still ongoing if it were applicable to you then you wouldn't work the rest of your life but instead you break the sanctified sabbath rest of God by working 6 days a week.So what God made holy and sanctified is not applicable to you?
The problem is logically speaking we see throughout the bible prior to Moses and in Christianity all but the Sabbath being dealt with. If all other "commandments" are seen but the Sabbath isn't then trying to piggyback it on other commandments as valid to prove it while other commandments are NOT piggybacked on themselves to prove them shows that the Sabbath is not in the same class as the rest OR is not relevant outside of a certain jurisdiction. Logic states that the Sabbath was absent prior to Moses and Absent in Gentile Christianity something you refuse to admit.The point is that no law was mentioned. Your argument is that the Sabbath was not commanded, the same basic must apply to the other laws if we are going to be fair. Now if you are going to argue that because of what happened in the record of scripture with out a direct command indicate that law must have been known and understood, then the same must apply to the Sabbath. Particularly in light of the fact that it was made sacred by God. Even more so when it is shown to be sacred and holy before man's fall.
You are describing yourself.
Irrelevant. The fact is God worked (created) for 6 days and quit... and never took up that work again. Being tired is meaningless to him.Where do you understand that God need to rest? Working 6 24 hour days made God tired? So who is keeping the world if God is resting?
The Genesis Sabbath isn't the same as the Sabbath given to Israel. We see no proof of Adam keeping a Sabbath, nor anyone till Moses time. Jesus himself didn't really have much to say about the Sabbath which makes us wonder why you think it is more important than Jesus himself does.Is not Jesus the creator? John 1. Was He resting when He was on earth?
Do you not understand that the Sabbath was created for man. Mark 2:27. What must Jesus do? Hit you over the head? He who created it said so!
Your logic! But not truth! Your logic deny the origin of the Sabbath.Not if it is God's property only. God rested on the sabbath and his rest from creation is still ongoing if it were applicable to you then you wouldn't work the rest of your life but instead you break the sanctified sabbath rest of God by working 6 days a week.
The problem is logically speaking we see throughout the bible prior to Moses and in Christianity all but the Sabbath being dealt with. If all other "commandments" are seen but the Sabbath isn't then trying to piggyback it on other commandments as valid to prove it while other commandments are NOT piggybacked on themselves to prove them shows that the Sabbath is not in the same class as the rest OR is not relevant outside of a certain jurisdiction. Logic states that the Sabbath was absent prior to Moses and Absent in Gentile Christianity something you refuse to admit.
So far you are still arguing semantics while proof of the Sabbath is deadly silent outsides of Moses and the nation of Israel and Judaism and certain other groups that are wrongly practicing it.
You gone back to the same premise. The Sabbath command is the only one that says remember, why? Remember something that never was known? The Sabbath is the only commandment that is a problem why? None of them was written before and I maintain, even though you have rejected the idea, that all are to be treated the same way. Exclude all or include all.Irrelevant. The fact is God worked (created) for 6 days and quit... and never took up that work again. Being tired is meaningless to him.
Comparing God's rest (sabbath) to the Sabbath Day we see similarities but saying because God rested man must have been commanded likewise when God's rest isn't correct for man as a perfect example. We see Abraham sacrificing Isaac and later God sacrificed Jesus (God sacrificed himself) you would have me believe that Abraham was showing God what he needed to do in it all. One is a shadow of things to come but Jesus didn't come the next day but a lot later just as we don't see any Sabbath command for man (Israel) till a lot later.
It was before sin and it will be after sin Gen 2 Isa 66:22-23.The Genesis Sabbath isn't the same as the Sabbath given to Israel. We see no proof of Adam keeping a Sabbath, nor anyone till Moses time. Jesus himself didn't really have much to say about the Sabbath which makes us wonder why you think it is more important than Jesus himself does.
You gone back to the same premise. The Sabbath command is the only one that says remember, why? Remember something that never was known? The Sabbath is the only commandment that is a problem why? None of them was written before and I maintain, even though you have rejected the idea, that all are to be treated the same way. Exclude all or include all.
It was before sin and it will be after sin Gen 2 Isa 66:22-23.
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