Is the Sermon on the Mount for Today?

[GenemZ]

Exactly, Moses was the representative of the OT and Christ is the representative of the new.

Actually... Christ IS the new.

 

[~Zao~]

Actually... Christ IS the new.

More exactly

 

[~Zao~]

Lorenedd,

1. We are not under the Mosaic covenant. The Mosaic law had some universal moral principles that apply today, because they transcend the Mosaic law but are not applied the same way judicially.
Moses law was for a specific nation at a specific time, not morality. Jerry Kelso

Ya know if you think that the OT has nothing to say to people today as prophesy then that’s your problem. And if you think that anything in the NT is judicial law then that’s your problem too. The Lord sets His seal where He may, not where flimsy mankind does.
I don’t know what Pentacostle you claim to be from but your just another person to ignore in my estimation when it comes to placing Jesus under the law away from those who have benefited by His work. There’s no saving grace in that.

 

[Alien Lotus]

You are still being vague, "consider what", that if a person does not have the doctrine of Christ then they are not saved, Again is that what you are saying.

What do you consider to be defined as , the doctrine of Christ?

I would be remiss I believe in not including the Sermon in this reply as a reference for those who may not be familiar with Matthew 5. And to answer the OP question, yes, I believe the sermon is applicable today.

Matthew 5 (KJV)
1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

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[jerry kelso]

Actually... Christ IS the new.

genez,

1. Correct. Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 9:16-17. Blessings! Jerrykelso

 

[jerry kelso]

Ya know if you think that the OT has nothing to say to people today as prophesy then that’s your problem. And if you think that anything in the NT is judicial law then that’s your problem too. The Lord sets His seal where He may, not where flimsy mankind does.
I don’t know what Pentacostle you claim to be from but your just another person to ignore in my estimation when it comes to placing Jesus under the law away from those who have benefited by His work. There’s no saving grace in that.

Lorendd,

1. I don’t know where you got that I didn’t think the Old Testament had anything to say to us.
I have already commented to kenrank the whole Bible is for everyone in the proper perspective.

2. There was grace in the age of law and there is law in grace.
Dealing with free will people always has law for morals have been forever and always will be.

3. I am not saying that Jesus in his earthly ministry hasn’t benefited anyone today.
Are you New Covenant theology or understand what that means?
Do you understand what I mean by saying Jesus didn’t preach his death, burial and resurrection.

4. Prophesy? If one doesn’t know the Old Testament about the Kingdom of Heaven Program and the end times concerning Jacob’s trouble then one will not understand the book of Revelation.
Our Christian heritage has its roots in Judaism.
So I believe you are reading into something that is not there.

5. Judicial example that is different is that we are not under the specific blessing and cursing system.
This doesn’t mean we can not incur a judgement under the New Covenant.
If one don’t believe that then this kind of Christian has not missed the mark by sin or has a stronghold in their life.
Sorry, if you misunderstood what I said. Jerry Kelso

 

[d taylor]

What do you consider to be defined as , the doctrine of Christ?

It is in 2 John

For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

The doctrine of Christ is that Christ has come in the flesh. John is warning against those who are saying:

deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh

 

[GenemZ]

It is in 2 John

For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

The doctrine of Christ is that Christ has come in the flesh. John is warning against those who are saying:

deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh

Back then the word "doctrine" and "teaching" could be used interchangeably. Some today have confused that passage to meaning all the teachings of Christ, where John is clearly teaching the doctrine that Jesus is both Deity and flesh. That is the doctrine of Christ. Its simple.

 

[~Zao~]

Are you New Covenant theology or understand what that means?

New Covenant Theology denies the unity of the Bible, erroneously asserting radical discontinuity between the Old Testament and the New. It perverts covenant theology, reducing God’s promises to Abraham to promises of material blessing only. It misrepresents God’s covenant with Israel under Moses as being a covenant of works and devoid of grace. It denies that Israel was truly God’s church, reducing it to a mere foreshadowing of the church of Christ. New Covenant Theology rejects the distinction between moral, ceremonial, and civil law, and teaches that the Ten Commandments are abolished under the new covenant. Torturing the text of the New Testament, it undermines the preaching of the gospel, and sanctification. It spurns the creeds and Reformed confessions of faith.


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/329453215_New_Covenant_Theology_Weighed_and_Found_Wanting

 

[Alien Lotus]

It is in 2 John

For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

The doctrine of Christ is that Christ has come in the flesh. John is warning against those who are saying:

deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh

God came in the flesh as Jesus Christ.
Thank you for the reply.

 

[GenemZ]

It is in 2 John

For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh.

I believe... John was dealing with the Gnostics in that passage, who believed in Jesus being only a spirit being. For they viewed the flesh to be evil.

 

[GenemZ]

New Covenant Theology denies the unity of the Bible, erroneously asserting radical discontinuity between the Old Testament and the New. It perverts covenant theology, reducing God’s promises to Abraham to promises of material blessing only. It misrepresents God’s covenant with Israel under Moses as being a covenant of works and devoid of grace. It denies that Israel was truly God’s church, reducing it to a mere foreshadowing of the church of Christ. New Covenant Theology rejects the distinction between moral, ceremonial, and civil law, and teaches that the Ten Commandments are abolished under the new covenant. Torturing the text of the New Testament, it undermines the preaching of the gospel, and sanctification. It spurns the creeds and Reformed confessions of faith.


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/329453215_New_Covenant_Theology_Weighed_and_Found_Wanting

Reminds me of Stonewall Jackson. He said he lived his life as the NT. And, fought war as the OT. He was a great and brave soldier.

 

[~Zao~]

Reminds me of Stonewall Jackson. He said he lived his life as the NT. And, fought war as the OT. He was a great and brave soldier.

I heard he was a good egg.

 

[GenemZ]

I heard he was a good egg.

He was a godly and very courageous man. He and his good friend, Robert E Lee both lived by the Bible. Robert E. Lee was called the "Gentleman General."

 

[~Zao~]

He was a godly and very courageous man. He and his good friend, Robert E Lee both lived by the Bible. Robert E. Lee was called the "Gentleman General."

He must had had at least three good men.

 

[jerry kelso]

New Covenant Theology denies the unity of the Bible, erroneously asserting radical discontinuity between the Old Testament and the New. It perverts covenant theology, reducing God’s promises to Abraham to promises of material blessing only. It misrepresents God’s covenant with Israel under Moses as being a covenant of works and devoid of grace. It denies that Israel was truly God’s church, reducing it to a mere foreshadowing of the church of Christ. New Covenant Theology rejects the distinction between moral, ceremonial, and civil law, and teaches that the Ten Commandments are abolished under the new covenant. Torturing the text of the New Testament, it undermines the preaching of the gospel, and sanctification. It spurns the creeds and Reformed confessions of faith.


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/329453215_New_Covenant_Theology_Weighed_and_Found_Wanting

Lorenedd,

1. New Covenant theology has one thing in common with Covenant theology is the
spiritual Jew theory. Do you believe this is correct?
New covenant theology believes Jesus teachings we’re new covenant and that is wrong. Even some dispensationalist believed Jesus taught Old and New covenant during his ministry. Do you believe this is correct?
Covenant people are Calvinists and believe in unconditional Eternal Security. Do you believe this? Just curious. Jerry Kelso

 

[~Zao~]

Lorenedd,

1. New Covenant theology has one thing in common with Covenant theology is the
spiritual Jew theory. Do you believe this is correct?

No theology and theory are different things. End of conversation.

New covenant theology believes Jesus teachings we’re new covenant and that is wrong. Even some dispensationalist believed Jesus taught Old and New covenant during his ministry. Do you believe this is correct?
Covenant people are Calvinists and believe in unconditional Eternal Security. Do you believe this? Just curious. Jerry Kelso

 

[jerry kelso]

No theology and theory are different things. End of conversation.

lorenedd,

1. They are different but the point is that they are not full proof of truth.
All of them are considered theology to some even though I am sure your opinion would be different.
So I don’t believe it is the end of the conversation. Proper hermeneutics is crucial.
As much as I believe Unconditional Eternal Security can be harmful in some ways I wouldn’t necessarily indict everyone that believes that teaching.
Jerry Kelso

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Is the Sermon on the Mount for Today?

This is an important question because Matthew calls the Sermon on the Mount the doctrine of Christ (Matthew 7:28). And John says any who do not have the doctrine of Christ do not have God (2 John 9).

So how do we live the Sermon on the Mount today? In my experience, I gave up my career, skills and education to “seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness” Matthew 6:24-34. And experienced God’s providence over my lifetime just as he promised. Enjoying all that people spend their life looking for, generously given to me while not looking for them. So it puzzles me when Churches host “College and Career Days” helping their young in many cases, to immerse themselves in the ways of the world instead of in Christ.

I also shunned Military service and registered as a Conscientious Objector. This closed many doors of opportunity and brought family ridicule. But living a life of nonviolence according to the Sermon also meant God would provide all the gentiles seek after as they kill and bludgeon their way up the ladder. I had a boss who marveled about my lack of concern for money.

I know the Dispensationalists believe the Sermon is not for today. But this makes me think of the danger they are in if John is right about the doctrine of Christ.

1.) To answer your question, yes. The Sermon on the Mount is for today as it is written:
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.
That said, I'm not sure exactly what you mean "doctrine of Christ". No where does the Bible call the sermon on the Mount the doctrine of Christ.

What do you consider to be defined as , the doctrine of Christ?
I would be remiss I believe in not including the Sermon in this reply as a reference for those who may not be familiar with Matthew 5. And to answer the OP question, yes, I believe the sermon is applicable today.

well, The Sermon on the Mount is a "teaching" (accurately translated)
When we speak of a doctrine, we don't look at one small teaching, but rather trhe whole. In the case of Christ, that's everything involving His life, death, and resurrection.

American Patriot
Published on Aug 5, 2016
"Sermon on the Mount can found in Matthew 5-7, this is only a movie actually had to edit the video because it was felt some stuff in the original transmission didn't line up with scripture. If you enjoy this video, go read the Good News, pick up a bible and read the Sermon on the Mount."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yeshua HaDerekh said: ↑
Where does it say that? Matthew 7:28 says "And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished these words, the multitudes were astonished at his teaching"

“And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.” Matthew 7:28–29 (KJV 1900)

Hello Dave L. Indeed.

They were first astonished with His teachings when He was just 12 yrs old.

Luke 2:
42 and when He became twelve years old, they having gone up to Jerusalem, according to the custom of the feast,
46 And it came to pass, after three days, they found Him in the Temple, sitting in the midst of the Teachers, both hearing them and questioning them,
47 and all those hearing Him were astonished at His understanding and answers. [Isaiah 11:6]

Matt 18:3
And said "amen I am saying to ye, if ever not you should be turning and may be becoming as the little children, not no ye may be entering into the Kingdom of the Heavens.
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Isaiah 11:6
“The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, The leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
The calf and the young lion and the fatling together;
And a little child shall lead them.