Is the fundamental gap between creationists and non-creationists...

[Astrid]

I am not addressing poe I addressed the truth of the Gospels and intelligent design, There are hundreds of pages covering both of these subjects along with appropriate academic citations. If you truly want to get answers to any questions you have on those subjects go to the link and read it, if that is too much effort then you really do not want to know the truth, if you can find anything in those hundreds of pages that you feel you can refute then make your best effort. The 7 Essential Modules - Credible Catholic

Ask for one fact against evolution and you offer a gish
with kalam cosmo. What a joke.

 

[Astrid]

Clearly you do not understand the Bible, it is not a history book or a science book, it is not intended to be taken literally in every case, it contains allegory, metaphors, and parables.

As if that is not as obvious about ye Bible as it is that
the "arguments " presented consist of insulting
falsehoods and the gish smokescreen.

 

[Astrid]

No insult, a simple statement of fact. You have demonstrated your ignorance on multiple occasions and seem to think it is something to be proud of. The best way to change that would be education.

Did you detect the grim spectre of psychological projevtion?

 

[disciple Clint]

Ask for one fact against evolution and you offer a gish
with kalam cosmo. What a joke.

No a joke is thinking that something can be learned without making any effort, the information is there read it or dont read it. You call something a gish, I have no idea what a gish is but pick out one thing from the hundreds of pages and refute it, you can not. To say that something written by a former professor and college president to an academic standard complete with citations is of no value is rich. AND all that without reading even one page. As I said read it or dont the gain or loss is yours.

 

[disciple Clint]

As if that is not as obvious about ye Bible as it is that
the "arguments " presented consist of insulting
falsehoods and the gish smokescreen.

Provide one of those insulting falsehoods, copy and paste it, that is not too much work is it? Just because you may not understand it does not make it false.

 

[Astrid]

No a joke is thinking that something can be learned without making any effort, the information is there read it or dont read it. You call something a gish, I have no idea what a gish is but pick out one thing from the hundreds of pages and refute it, you can not. To say that something written by a former professor and college president to an academic standard complete with citations is of no value is rich. AND all that without reading even one page. As I said read it or dont the gain or loss is yours.

Here's a joke.
Due to a total failure to even bother to Google,
you' ve no idea what people have been complaining
about, or why nobody is going to indulge you in such
a shabby trick as posting a gish.

ITS SUPER EASY TO GOOGLE.
Look for "gish gallop".

Any notion that by posting one a person demonstrates
knowledge, or scores a "win" when nobody takes up
the "challenge" is quite mistaken, and, ftm, very unsoohisticated.

 

[Astrid]

Provide one of those insulting falsehoods, copy and paste it, that is not too much work is it? Just because you may not understand it does not make it false.

Can't copy paste w this phone.
I understand just fine when someone makes up garbage
about me.
A person who cannot tell they are doing such may have an issue.

May I recommend observing forum guidelines as a good
policy. (The one about insults and other personal remarks)

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Did you detect the grim spectre of psychological projevtion?

Dunning-Kruger

 

[Astrid]

Yup

 

[Bobber]

In many cases yes. Science takes the stance that you can take chunks of reality (called evidence) and study them and make certain inferences.

If you are a "The Bible said it, that settles it" type creationist, chunks of reality have no evidentiary value. Strangely enough, their 'reality' is not tied to reality.

And neither can much of man's science or what one group of people called science be connected to reality either. Man's science can be like a cheap play toy in a kids sand box and those outside the small limited box shake their heads at the presumptuousness of mens's conclusions. They might be smiling and shaking their heads.

 

[Speedwell]

I am not addressing poe I addressed the truth of the Gospels and intelligent design, There are hundreds of pages covering both of these subjects along with appropriate academic citations. If you truly want to get answers to any questions you have on those subjects go to the link and read it, if that is too much effort then you really do not want to know the truth, if you can find anything in those hundreds of pages that you feel you can refute then make your best effort. The 7 Essential Modules - Credible Catholic

The truth of the Gospels is not seriously disputed in this forum, even by those who think they are fiction because the issue is just not relevant to the creation/evolution discussion. Why you brought it up at all is not clear. The same for your "proof" of ID, which you justified by playing footsie with the definition of ID but was really intended by the site you linked to not as proof for ID but as proof for the existence of God, another issue which is not seriously disputed in this forum. Even stranger, you quoted a Roman Catholic theological authority, a member of a Christian denomination which rejects creationism and ID and is rejected in turn by creationists as apostate. Your line of argument here has definitely been confusing.

 

[Frank Robert]

The Golden rule that Jesus spoke was taken from a much earlier scripture.
Leviticus 19:18

Leviticus 19:18

18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

This was written long before Confucius came up with his.

What is your point? Every religion has a version of the golden rule including the ones that preceded the OT.
If you point was that the golden rule is the closest thing to an objective morality we have, then I agree

The Golden Rule Is Common All Religions

BUDDHISM. Hurt not others with that which pains yourself.
CHRISTIANITY All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you,
do ye even so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.
St. Matthew.
CONFUCIANISM. Is there any one maxim which ought to be acted upon
throughout whole life? Surely the Of loving kindness is such — DO
not unto others what you would not they should do unto you.
HEBRAISM. What is hurtful to yourself do not to your fellow man. That is
the whole of the Torah and the remainder is but commentary. Go learn it.
HINDUISM. This is the Sum Of duty: do naught to others which if done to
them would cause thee pain.
ISLAM. NO Of is a believer until he loves for his brother What he
loves for himself. Traditions.
JAINISM. In happiness and suffering. in and grief, we should regard all
Creatures as wc regard our own self and should therefore refrain from
inflicting upon Others Such injury as would appear undesirable to us if inflicted
upon Ourselves.
SIKHISM As thou deemest thyself sodeem others others. Then shalt thou become a
partner in heaven. Kabir.
TAOISM _ Regard your neighbor's gain your and regard your
loss as your own
ZOROASTRIANISM. That nature only is good when it shall not do unto
another is not good for its own self.

"We have committed the Golden Rule to memory,
let us now commit it to life."
Edwin Markham

from Of the Album by Doubleday co., City, York, 1961.​

 

[AV1611VET]

What is your point?

Jesus took the Golden Rule from the Old Testament, not Confucius.

 

[Speedwell]

Jesus took the Golden Rule from the Old Testament, not Confucius.

OK, but I think the contention was that He invented it.

 

[Frank Robert]

Jesus took the Golden Rule from the Old Testament, not Confucius.

I am not arguing who had it first. My argument is that it appears in most if not all religions. Some may be copied from others like the
Mesopotamian precursors to Noah's flood. The commonality of the golden rule indicates that it is the closest statement of an objective morality that we have.

 

[AV1611VET]

OK, but I think the contention was that He invented it.

He did.

In Christian theology, the word of God was written down in Heaven before the earth was even created.

 

[AV1611VET]

The commonality of the golden rule indicates that it is the closest statement of an objective morality that we have.

Good point.

 

[Speedwell]

He did.

In Christian theology, the word of God was written down in Heaven before the earth was even created.

Keep in mind that you don't speak for all Christians on that point.

 

[AV1611VET]

Keep in mind that you don't speak for all Christians on that point.

Will do. As long as you keep in mind that it's possible that the Golden Rule predates anything on the earth, including the earth itself.

 

[renniks]

A sneering tone doth belie soothing words.

You are reading into it whatever tone you want to imagine.