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Is the fourth commandment done away with? (Moved)
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It amazes me how people can deny the fourth commandment yet, with the same breath, push a Sunday gathering. Why can't they just have the same faith as Jesus and obey the commandments of God?
Revelation 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
It just amazes me...
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What then are the 'requirements' for keeping the new covenant Sabbath? Jesus took the Pharisee's to task on this question.
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I will research and get the verses later. I'm sorry if i sounded like we have to go on Sunday. We don't. Nothing gets us into Heaven but the blood of Jesus and the only thing that keeps us out is rejecting Jesus. Ep 2: 8 "By grace are we saved thru faith and that not of ourselves but a gift of God. "
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I am no good at this. This is my second posting of this I always make a mistake. Here we go again. I'm sorry but I'll post the scriptures and if your interested you can look them up.
Hb 12:2, Jn4:24, 1Co 3:16, 2Co 1:22
All day long as I work , drive or what ever I try to stay focused on Jesus. I listen to Christian radio, I contemplate his word. Since the Temple is in me and His spirit is in me, then by doing this I am worshiping Jesus in spirit and in truth. You don't need a crowd of people in a building to have a worship service. All you need is God and a worshiper.
By doing this my day goes a lot better. I'm not as tired and cranky. I don't get mad at little things. I can forgive other people when they offend me. In short I start to act like Jesus. Its just a shallow imitation, but its better than I used to be.
I mispoke about the 4 commandment being dead. It and all the law is still around for all who choose to live by them.
Hb 12:2, Jn4:24, 1Co 3:16, 2Co 1:22
All day long as I work , drive or what ever I try to stay focused on Jesus. I listen to Christian radio, I contemplate his word. Since the Temple is in me and His spirit is in me, then by doing this I am worshiping Jesus in spirit and in truth. You don't need a crowd of people in a building to have a worship service. All you need is God and a worshiper.
By doing this my day goes a lot better. I'm not as tired and cranky. I don't get mad at little things. I can forgive other people when they offend me. In short I start to act like Jesus. Its just a shallow imitation, but its better than I used to be.
I mispoke about the 4 commandment being dead. It and all the law is still around for all who choose to live by them.
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You can always do as Paul did...
"According to his usual practice, Sha'ul went in; and on three Shabbats he gave them drashes from the Tanakh, explaining and proving that the Messiah had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and that "this Yeshua whom I am proclaiming to you is the Messiah."
Acts 17:2-4, Complete Jewish Bible
"According to his usual practice, Sha'ul went in; and on three Shabbats he gave them drashes from the Tanakh, explaining and proving that the Messiah had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and that "this Yeshua whom I am proclaiming to you is the Messiah."
Acts 17:2-4, Complete Jewish Bible
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Although you say this with conviction, there is not one scripture to support your claim that the fourth commandment is done away with. NOT ONE SCRIPTURE!
It is merely an unsupported claim. The only law nailed to the cross was the law of sacrifices that pointed to Jesus' coming sacrifice which was fullfilled in Him.
You would never say that any of the other nine commands were done away with. Why then declare the only commandment that identifies WHO The Law Giver is to be passed away? What point is there in that? Sabbath keeping IS NOT ABOUT ATONEMENT.
Sabbath keeping/the 'holiness' of the seventh day was established at creation BEFORE sin, (from which Jesus saves us) ever entered the earth. Jesus atoned for us, and all ceremonial laws (and ceremonial sabbaths) passed away in Him, but the weekly 'rememberance' of God as Creator and Law Giver tied in with the faithful belief that the 'holiness' of the seventh day endures FROM the creation, TO the re-creation. Thus you see "all flesh" not just Jews keeping the weekly seventh day 'holy sabbath' in the earth made new of Isaiah 66:23.
The 'holy' people of The 'holy' God/Father ("honour your father") will also "REMEMBER" The 'holy' day.
Simple.
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Why is this angel crying out this command with a loud voice in Revelation? Why is it so important that an angel has to cry out loud about it?
Re 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Under what laws is God going to use to base His Judgment on?
Re 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Under what laws is God going to use to base His Judgment on?
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Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur
Pictures are nice, but they have to be supported by Scripture. As they're not, this is not enacted eschatology. It's present reality. The grammar demands it. The number and role of present tenses in Heb 3:18-4:11 shows this isn't eschatological. It's now. And because it's now, it's "Today".
And parting shot, I don't want to "get it" if Scripture didn't "put it" that way.
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You'll have to prove that the sabbath was recommanded to gentile believers and the NT church like the other 9 are.
You'll also have to reconcile your view with the verses that show us freedom regarding the issue.
You'll also have to reconcile your view with the verses that show us freedom regarding the issue.
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If you are part of the group that have to choose between the mark of the beast worship or worship of the creator... I would say that is the recommendation from heaven by the loud cry of the angel who said worship the creator should be your first clue..
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I'm sorry but I don't understand the connection you're making.
I worship the Creator, the Almight God of the Universe within the freedom we have in Christ because of the work He did on the Cross. My righteousness is of rags, but His is everything.
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You must worship the Creator as He dictates it... and He said that worshipping Him on the sabbath is honoring and sanctifying to Him.
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Except that I am not commanded to keep it, and certainly not commanded to keep it in accordance with some religious men's ideals.
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Col 2:13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,
Col 2:14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Col 2:15 When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.
Col 2:16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--
Col 2:17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
Col 2:19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.
Col 2:20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
Col 2:21 "Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!"
Col 2:22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)--in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
Col 2:23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.
Rom 14:2 One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only.
Rom 14:3 The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him.
Rom 14:4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.
Rom 14:7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself;
Rom 14:8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
Rom 14:10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.
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Col 2:13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,
Col 2:14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Col 2:15 When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.
Col 2:16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--
Col 2:17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
Col 2:19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.
Col 2:20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
Col 2:21 "Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!"
Col 2:22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)--in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
Col 2:23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.
Rom 14:2 One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only.
Rom 14:3 The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him.
Rom 14:4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.
Rom 14:7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself;
Rom 14:8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
Rom 14:10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.
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I do worship Him. We are to be livinng sacrifices and in pray without ceasing.
Nothing about the Sabbath in that verse you posted.
Nothing about the Sabbath in that verse you posted.
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