Is the fourth commandment a moral issue?

[sentipente]

The Bible says that the wages of sin was death; therefore before there was sin there was no death.

The same verse also says that the gift of God is eternal life. Would you conclude that before sin there was no eternal life?

 

[RND]

The same verse also says that the gift of God is eternal life. Would you conclude that before sin there was no eternal life?

No. But in the garden eternal life was a natural part of life. Death came only through disobedience. As long as the man heeded God's warning and was obedient to that warning then there would be no death - death would only come through ignoring God's warning.

Thus, eternal life became a "gift" as a result God not desiring that man should be separated from Him.

Gen 2:16
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Gen 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

 

[Jimlarmore]

The laws of God are a reflection of His character and lead us to what He is and that is love. Christ when here said that to love God with all of your heart soul and mind and your brother as yourself is the foundation of all of the law and prophets.

When someone says the ten commandment law is done away with they are essentially saying we no longer need to love God or our fellow man. This is a gross misrepresentation of God's word as we have already pointed out that Christ Himself said all of the law and prophets hung on a factor of love. Love is one thing that can never be "fulfilled" in God's kingdom. The ceremonial law was "fulfilled" at the cross because it was a shadow of what our savior did there. The ten commandments were never fulfilled there and will exist as a standard for God's judgement of His people at the end of time.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[sentipente]

No. But in the garden eternal life was a natural part of life. Death came only through disobedience. As long as the man heeded God's warning and was obedient to that warning then there would be no death - death would only come through ignoring God's warning.

You made that up. Sounds good, though.

 

[djconklin]

The same verse also says that the gift of God is eternal life. Would you conclude that before sin there was no eternal life?

Where in the Bible is there any linkage between sin and eternal life?

 

[djconklin]

Originally Posted by RND
No. But in the garden eternal life was a natural part of life. Death came only through disobedience. As long as the man heeded God's warning and was obedient to that warning then there would be no death - death would only come through ignoring God's warning.

You made that up. Sounds good, though.

Where is the proof that it was made up?

 

[sentipente]

Where is the proof that it was made up?

An old classic. You are really scraping the barrel today. I did not want to accuse the brother of stealing somebody else's ideas. You are free to do if you choose.

 

[djconklin]

I never steal anyone's ideas--where is the proof that RND made it up?

BTW, can't you make a post without slinging some mud ("really scraping the barrel today.")?

 

[RND]

You made that up. Sounds good, though.

Senti, try using you head for more than a hat rack.

What was the implication of NOT eating from the tree of good and evil and what does that implication lead you to believe God was saying?

Don't eat = Life (Living for ever; No death)

Eat = Death (Not living forever; No life)

It's really simple to follow senti. You only make things complicated for yourself.

 

[sentipente]

What is the meaning of "eternal life was a natural part of life?" What other kind of life was the other part of life made up of? Alternatively, what was the unnatural part of life? The statement makes no logical sense so it must have been made up. There you have it. Satisfied?

 

[RND]

An old classic. You are really scraping the barrel today. I did not want to accuse the brother of stealing somebody else's ideas. You are free to do if you choose.

By implication you already have. It's this kind of stuff that will eventually get you banned for good senti. But don't say that you haven't been warned.

I didn't "steal" anyone's idea. I believe what I believe from what I have been taught from scripture and from what I have gleened from scripture.

We all believe what we believe in scripture from what is revealed to us by the Holy Spirit through the hearing of the word and teaching of the word from others. Some however don't hear or don't listen to what the HS is telling them and simply believe what they hear from others.

 

[sentipente]

By implication you already have. It's this kind of stuff that will eventually get you banned for good senti. But don't say that you haven't been warned.

I suggest you get another line of work.

By the way, you won't get banned for that nonsense you posted about using one's head for more than a hat rack because I am much tougher than those who run to the Mods to fight their battles for them. Keep throwing the insults. I must warn you that I have a strong wind at my back.

 

[RND]

What is the meaning of "eternal life was a natural part of life?"

Your question is linguistically poor senti. Let's think about this for a second senti. If Adam and Eve had never eaten from that tree where would they be now? Still alive perhaps? 6,000 years after the fact?

What other kind of life was the other part of life made up of?

All life would have been eternal, that is, in God's presence. What happened when they ate? They "hid" themselves. They knew they were outside of God's presence at that point.

Alternatively, what was the unnatural part of life?

There would have been no unnatural part of life senti. Life in the presence of God was designed to be the "natural" part of life. Life became "unnatural" (that is leading to death by sin) through disobedience.

The statement makes no logical sense so it must have been made up. There you have it. Satisfied?

Only to some....or maybe one.

 

[RND]

I suggest you get another line of work.

I've been lookin'

By the way, you won't get banned for that nonsense you posted about using one's head for more than a hat rack because I am much tougher than those who run to the Mods to fight their battles for them.

You're right.

Keep throwing the insults.

That wasn't a insult senti, unless of course you haven't been using your head.

I must warn you that I have a strong wind at my back.

Hot air?

 

[sentipente]

Your question is linguistically poor senti. Let's think about this for a second senti. If Adam and Eve had never eaten from that tree where would they be now? Still alive perhaps?.

Oh, the beauty of a "perhaps." Works wonders. Maybe you can help Do answer his angels on the head of a pin question. "Perhaps" would work there.

 

[RND]

Thankfully, we never have to hear the slap of your hand on your forehead and the exclamation, "I get it" from you senti.

Oh, the beauty of a "perhaps." Works wonders. Maybe you can help Do answer his angels on the head of a pin question. "Perhaps" would work there.

Stumped again senti?

 

[sentipente]

Wishful thinking is allowed, RND. Keep at it. You are welcome to your band of perhapses.

 

[RND]

Wishful thinking is allowed, RND. Keep at it. You are welcome to your band of perhapses.

Listening is difficult when your mouth is always open.

 

[sentipente]

None of these petty insults will give any credence to you attempts to show that the fruit fly had a much longer lifespan than it has now or that hair used to be made up of living cells, etc.

 

[JonMiller]

None of these petty insults will give any credence to you attempts to show that the fruit fly had a much longer lifespan than it has now or that hair used to be made up of living cells, etc.

I think that such ideas are silly to even think about.

Jon Miller