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May you never have to experience the mourning that accompanies a miscarriage.
The stage at which Devine Providence is in play is the very ACT by God to Create Life. A person's reaction to try and cancel it is an act that is by far more sinister than murder. The spark of life that God gives the Fetus is the Devine Providence. It would be like someone trying to uncreate what God is Creating to bring into the world.
Stopping the progression of life is the act to prevent the Creator from Creating Life. The charge is more series and severe than mere murder, it is an act to sabotage the works of the Holy Spirit, an unforgive-able sin, that results in the immediate expulsion from God's presence.
There is no excuse to prevent life, regardless of the situation and Jesus made that point very clear.
John 9:3
"Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.
Is the works of God in the Fetus?
If so, then those who abort a Fetus are preventing the works of God from being put on display and this act is a willful act to prevent the Holy Spirit from Creating Life and is an unforgivable sin.
We are talking about aborting the Fetus, the topic is not related to saving the life of the mother. Abortion is something that is now common practice and is an act to uncreate what God creates.
Think about it very carefully before you respond for or against, because your position on this issue may affect your salvation and your relationship with God the Holy Spirit.
So Jesus said ,neither the man nor his parents had sinned ,but God had made him 'sick' , in order to teach a lesson .The stage at which Devine Providence is in play is the very ACT by God to Create Life. A person's reaction to try and cancel it is an act that is by far more sinister than murder. The spark of life that God gives the Fetus is the Devine Providence. It would be like someone trying to uncreate what God is Creating to bring into the world.
Stopping the progression of life is the act to prevent the Creator from Creating Life. The charge is more series and severe than mere murder, it is an act to sabotage the works of the Holy Spirit, an unforgive-able sin, that results in the immediate expulsion from God's presence.
There is no excuse to prevent life, regardless of the situation and Jesus made that point very clear.
John 9:3
"Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.
Is the works of God in the Fetus?
If so, then those who abort a Fetus are preventing the works of God from being put on display and this act is a willful act to prevent the Holy Spirit from Creating Life and is an unforgivable sin.
We are talking about aborting the Fetus, the topic is not related to saving the life of the mother. Abortion is something that is now common practice and is an act to uncreate what God creates.
Think about it very carefully before you respond for or against, because your position on this issue may affect your salvation and your relationship with God the Holy Spirit.
I Wonder do you believe in self defence ,and just war ?It matters. If Jesus's human nature is exactly like our own, does that not inform us on the sanctity of life at all stages of development?
---------------------------------------So Jesus said ,neither the man nor his parents had sinned ,but God had made him 'sick' , in order to teach a lesson .
------------------------------------------1) This shows that the disciples believed one could have lived before .
sinfully only, not ever by Yahweh's Direction nor with His Permission.So ,perhaps at least some abortions take place , to teach men not to rape women and girls , even murder them , without being punished .
What did Bonhoeffer say about 'the ends justifying the means?'
I'm sure he would have said we should not base our ethics on such. In the case of your post above, you are using abortion as a justified means to combat poverty.
Sure it does. If one is in bondage to sin and death their 'moral compass' will reason on things of the flesh. If one is under bondage to Christ they are led by the Spirit.
Which is not life threatening. In those cases, they could give the intrinsically morally valuable baby up for adoption. Or, if they're Christians, they could actually have faith that since all new life comes from God, and that God has a plan for all of us, and that God promises to provide for our needs - they could show some faith and rely on Christ.
But for someone to say, "Well, I'm in an economically difficult situation as I just lost my job, so I'm going to kill my 3 year old child because otherwise it'll be really tough on me" - We would consider that immoral and wrong because the 3 year old possesses moral worth and value.
In the same way, the ELCA acknowledges that the unborn baby possess the exact same intrinsic moral worth and value as the 3 year old, and as the mother. Therefore, the only way to be logically consistent would be to say that abortions due to financial concerns are immoral.
The very first instance recorded in history of 'pragmatic ethics':
Genesis 3: NASB
4The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die! 5“For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
I guess things never change in this fallen world. You and your church seem to want to embrace the fallen world hoping to get a few converts (Matthew 23:15)
We've quickly transitioned from health concerns of the mother to killing unborn babies for economic reasons? I can't wait to see what's next. <rolls eyes>
Which probably explains why he refused to clarify whether or not he feels the value of human life is contingent upon moral agency. For all of his earlier posturing and acting as the self appointed spokesman of the disabled community, he just gave good reason to support killing many of them.
I guess if they contradict their own position people from opposing views can find what they want. This way if someone is pro choice they can point to the endorsed practices and find comfort and those pro life say but the church statement supports my view too!
I took a look at your profile and found you were in the military ! Did you ever kill anyone ,or ask anyone to kill if you were an officer ?I see this is about non Christians and how we are to form a sort of Christian ethics based on the ways of the world.
Not be beacons of Light for Christ and His Gospel.
Which is not life threatening. In those cases, they could give the intrinsically morally valuable baby up for adoption. Or, if they're Christians, they could actually have faith that since all new life comes from God, and that God has a plan for all of us, and that God promises to provide for our needs - they could show some faith and rely on Christ.
But for someone to say, "Well, I'm in an economically difficult situation as I just lost my job, so I'm going to kill my 3 year old child because otherwise it'll be really tough on me" - We would consider that immoral and wrong because the 3 year old possesses moral worth and value.
You mean the fetus as an enemy combatant?I Wonder do you believe in self defence ,and just war ?
Indeed the flesh wars with the new creation in Christ. Not an excuse to make bad decisions or base a moral system on failure.Simul justus et peccator.
Have a link to your catechism?You compare us to the Serpent. Cute.
This is not about politics. With every procured abortion there are several losers.We support everybody as much as possible. The Gospel is too precious to treat it like a partisan cause and try to have only winners and losers.
If you are asking if I ever ordered a subordinate to slaughter a non combatant, the answer is no. It is both illegal and immoral.I took a look at your profile and found you were in the military ! Did you ever kill anyone ,or ask anyone to kill if you were an officer ?
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