Is the Earth Flat?

[ozso]

Based on the very significant drop in your meme there, at 120,000 ft there should be a pronounced concavity, but...

When it comes to areal footage, could a plane be flown along the circle of the outer perimeter of earth, showing that the arctic wall forms a ring around the earth?

 

[Shrewd Manager]

When it comes to areal footage, could a plane be flown along the circle of the outer perimeter of earth, showing that the arctic wall forms a ring around the earth?

Unfortunately travel south of the 60th parallel by any means is highly restricted, thanks to the Antarctic Treaty. For some reason, that icy tundra and penguins have had such environmental value to the USA, Russia, China and other traditional enemies for over 50 years that they've maintained close multilateral alignment on the exclusion zone.

Captain Cook was one who reported seeing so many miles of ice walls that he couldn't account for. But alas, we only have the official sources these days.

Just re the pic, the flat earth is not floating in space lol. It's the Biblical earth model, more like this:

 

[ozso]

Unfortunately travel south of the 60th parallel by any means is highly restricted, thanks to the Antarctic Treaty. For some reason, that icy tundra and penguins have had such environmental value to the USA, Russia, China and other traditional enemies for over 50 years that they've maintained close multilateral alignment on the exclusion zone.

Captain Cook was one who reported seeing so many miles of ice walls that he couldn't account for. But alas, we only have the official sources these days.

Just re the pic, the flat earth is not floating in space lol. It's the Biblical earth model, more like this:

So what is the white space comprised of? Like what's beyond or around the outer blue of the illustration?

Just to note, I'm undecided about this, so any questions I ask aren't intended to debunk flat earth or prove globe earth.

 

[prodromos]

Unfortunately travel south of the 60th parallel by any means is highly restricted, thanks to the Antarctic Treaty.

This is an oft repeated lie by Flat Earthers.
The Antarctic treaty only forbids the member countries from building fortifications or military installations in Antarctica. It does not restrict travel, nor would there be any means of policing such a restriction if there were one. There is no coast guard or border patrol on the continent.

The Antarctic Treaty Explained - British Antarctic Survey

 

[Shrewd Manager]

So what is the white space comprised of? Like what's beyond or around the outer blue of the illustration?

What is outside the dome? The Bible tells us it's God's throne room. John's vision is that he is standing on a sea of glass (Revelation 15:2). That, I surmise, would be atop the firmament, which is as a molten looking-glass (Job 37:18).

Apparently the powers that be have tried on many occasions to smash their way through it, with high-altitude nuclear explosions programs: High-altitude nuclear explosion - Wikipedia. Now I'm not a believer in the existence of nuclear weapon tech, but its plausible they've used every ounce of TNT they can launch up there. We all want to know what they've found in Antarctica.

Just to note, I'm undecided about this, so any questions I ask aren't intended to debunk flat earth or prove globe earth.

I welcome your interest. I hope you'll be guided by the injunctions: (a) Let God be true and all men liars, and (b) Prove all things.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

This is an oft repeated lie by Flat Earthers.
The Antarctic treaty only forbids the member countries from building fortifications or military installations in Antarctica. It does not restrict travel,

Technically travel may not be prohibited outright, but administratively it's infeasible to obtain the requisite permits.

or would there be any means of policing such a restriction if there were one. There is no coast guard or border patrol on the continent.

Tell that to Viking berserker Jarle Andhoy:
Norwegian arrested after Antarctic voyage

 

[ozso]

This is an oft repeated lie by Flat Earthers.
The Antarctic treaty only forbids the member countries from building fortifications or military installations in Antarctica. It does not restrict travel, nor would there be any means of policing such a restriction if there were one. There is no coast guard or border patrol on the continent.

The Antarctic Treaty Explained - British Antarctic Survey

I figured it was something like that and why a plane flying along the perimeter (if there is one) wouldn't be an issue.

Really I would think at high altitude the curvature of the arctic ring should be plainly visible.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

I figured it was something like that and why a plane flying along the perimeter (if there is one) wouldn't be an issue.

If you want the detail on accessibility of Antarctica, watch this video:

 

[prodromos]

Technically travel may not be prohibited outright, but administratively it's infeasible to obtain the requisite permits.

Antarctica is an unforgiving, desolate place of extreme weather conditions. Any rescue mission would cost millions to undertake, so anyone wishing to travel there has to demonstrate they have more than adequate equipment that is above and beyond the task. The very fact that Jarle Andhoy's previous expedition resulted in the deaths of three people suggests there were good reasons why his journey had not been authorised. Many other expeditions have been authorised however, including the two men who independantly crossed the continent of Antarctica via the South pole on foot a few years ago, and the adventurer Dick Smith who circumnavigated the globe via the North and South poles by plane..

 

[prodromos]

If you want the detail on accessibility of Antarctica, watch this video:

He just repeats all of the usual FE propaganda and invokes a couple of logical fallacies along the way.

 

[prodromos]

I figured it was something like that and why a plane flying along the perimeter (if there is one) wouldn't be an issue.

Really I would think at high altitude the curvature of the arctic ring should be plainly visible.

Cruises to Antarctica
https://www.auroraexpeditions.com.a...7LBcgOXPzy2-ldaSS_rKyNXv1lBw8kLRoCmEwQAvD_BwE

Flights over Antarctica
Antarctica Flights | Sightseeing Flights from Australia

 

[ozso]

Cruises to Antarctica
Antarctica Voyages 2022 & 2023 | Aurora Expeditions™

Flights over Antarctica
Antarctica Flights | Sightseeing Flights from Australia

Here's one of many videos taken by someone who took a commercial flight over Antarctica.

 

[ozso]

Antarctica is an unforgiving, desolate place of extreme weather conditions. Any rescue mission would cost millions to undertake, so anyone wishing to travel there has to demonstrate they have more than adequate equipment that is above and beyond the task. The very fact that Jarle Andhoy's previous expedition resulted in the deaths of three people suggests there were good reasons why his journey had not been authorised. Many other expeditions have been authorised however, including the two men who independently crossed the continent of Antarctica via the South pole on foot a few years ago, and the adventurer Dick Smith who circumnavigated the globe via the North and South poles by plane..

I supposed the only rebuttal to those examples is saying they were staged.

 

[prodromos]

I supposed the only rebuttal to those examples is saying they were staged.

Any testimony or evidence that destroys the FE arguments is branded as fake.

I have no respect at all for arguments from @Shrewd Manager. He lives down here in the Southern Hemisphere and can see for himself that the sky rotates clockwise around the South Celestial pole, the opposite direction to what is observed in the Northern Hemisphere. If the earth is as Flat Earthers describe, then any sky rotation would have to be in the same direction regardless of where you are viewing from. Those who live in the Northern Hemisphere can argue from ignorance, @Shrewd Manager cannot.

 

[JacksBratt]

See this post.

Maybe, instead of posting a previous post... You could disprove his statement that all auto pilot systems use the map that he presented.

You are saying that he doesn't have a clue. Do you have the facts to support this and disprove what he is claiming?

 

[prodromos]

Maybe, instead of posting a previous post... You could disprove his statement that all auto pilot systems use the map that he presented.

You are saying that he doesn't have a clue. Do you have the facts to support this and disprove what he is claiming?

I am not a pilot and I don't personally know anyone who is. I suspect that he is the same and is simply making another one of his bold, unsupported claims. Everything else he claimed was false. He doesn't provide any reference to the the map other than a picture of what looks to be a poster. How do you suggest I prove something when no real information is provided other than his say so? Why do Flat Earthers find his claims in any way credible?

Have you made any effort to confirm his claim or do you just give him a free pass because you want to believe it's true?

 

[JacksBratt]

I am not a pilot and I don't personally know anyone who is. I suspect that he is the same and is simply making another one of his bold, unsupported claims. Everything else he claimed was false.

Have you made any effort to confirm his claim or do you just give him a free pass because you want to believe it's true?

Well, since you are not a pilot and don't know any personally.. Can you then rightfully claim that this person doesn't have a clue?

 

[prodromos]

Well, since you are not a pilot and don't know any personally.. Can you then rightfully claim that this person doesn't have a clue?

Based on everything else he said, and the fact that he provides no corroborating evidence for his claims, I think I am on pretty safe ground.

Do you have any evidence to show that he does have a clue? Anything?

 

[Shrewd Manager]

He just repeats all of the usual FE propaganda and invokes a couple of logical fallacies along the way.

Um, you are greatly deceived. He painstakingly references the applicable law and procedural requirements. If you're just going to lie about it, there's no point carrying on any kind of exchange.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Here's one of many videos taken by someone who took a commercial flight over Antarctica.

Groan...as though this stuff 'new' to the flat earth debate. It constantly surprises me how much false pride people have, that's what keeps them from God, if you know what I mean.

I've got footage of Santa Claus on the moon for sale if you're interested.