Is the Bible Without Error?

[redleghunter]

If someone is basing their faith in Christ upon the inerrancy of the Bible, rather than on the Gospel, then they are building their faith upon a foundation of sand.

-CryptoLutheran

I think we can agree that the Gospel message as presented in Holy Scriptures is both infallible and inerrant in presentation?

 

[redleghunter]

According to the secrets of the Bible, which is a show that I watched, there are mistranslations and it contradicts itself.

According to the apostles this is not correct.

 

[Rodan6]

Some say that Jesus came to supplement the teachings of the Old Testament. Some say that Jesus came to modify some of these older teachings (through the creation of a new covenant for example). Still, others say that the Bible is the inerrant word of God and therefore it is timeless and unchanging (or unchangeable). The truth is that the Bible represents the opinions and viewpoints of the men who wrote it, colored by the age in which they lived. It contains many great truths, but also includes many falsehoods.

Many modern non-believers will point to Biblical passages as proof of the fallibility of the Bible’s teachings. For some, just proving one item false is sufficient to dismiss everything in it. This of course, puts the Bible worshiper in the impossible position of declaring every word to be
true. Both positions are wrong, but it is the Bible worshiper that suffers the most from these grievous mistakes. Certainly the non-believer can dismiss the Bible without much thought. But the book worshiper must somehow reconcile the irreconcilable.

As the Bible worshiper makes the futile effort to pound a round peg into a square hole, the Biblical truths he prizes above all become more and more difficult to sort out. The misguided attempt to rationalize every word becomes his primary obsession. He glosses over the greatest truths to be found therein, but cannot understand what he has found. The beautiful gems are blended with the more primitive doctrines and the best that can be hoped for is rudimentary understanding.

 

[redleghunter]

If Moses wrote the scripture, what scripture was guiding people before Moses? What was the law in Egypt? What were the customs and "Word of infallible scripture" of Abrams religion?

The written word is human, it becomes a replacement for faith in the Living God.

Direct revelation. God dealt directly with Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses. After them God dealt directly with judges, prophets and in some cases kings. All of the above wrote down their encounters with God whether by direct revelation, dream, vision etc.

In all encounters with God the prophet, king, patriarch or judge received not only the words of God but demonstrations of His Power and Glory.

 

[redleghunter]

I question the veracity of this statement.

What is the exact question?

 

[redleghunter]

The truth is that the Bible represents the opinions and viewpoints of the men who wrote it, colored by the age in which they lived. It contains many great truths, but also includes many falsehoods.

Prove it.

 

[Dwells]

I think that some people don't realize that what they are saying is that it is the translators that are innerant.
Interesting article:
Why the Bible Doesn't 'Clearly Say' Anything

 

[redleghunter]

I think that some people don't realize that what they are saying is that it is the translators that are innerant.
Interesting article:
Why the Bible Doesn't 'Clearly Say' Anything

That article is interesting only because it exposes the group think of post-modernism.

 

[Mr H A Bull]

I find it very hard to believe old testament scripture. The ark I suppose, taken literally, is the most difficult. The age of the Earth is another area where I struggle in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary although, that said, the age of the Earth is not actually stated but calculated.

The trouble I have overall is the mockery from non-believers that these passages of scripture draw. I have no issue with the concept of creation done in the way described even Adam and Eve has good foundation. I would say that the Bible isn't the whole story though. I am absolutely certain that bits have been left out that nowadays could be useful to know.

All said and done, my feelings won't prevent my going to glory.

 

[redleghunter]

I would say that the Bible isn't the whole story though. I am absolutely certain that bits have been left out that nowadays could be useful to know.

We can conclude the above is accurate. The OT and NT are both God's revelation to mankind. Is the Bible the exhaustive knowledge of God. No of course not and the Bible makes no such claim.

2 Timothy 3-4 explains it well IMO.

 

[Dwells]

That article is interesting only because it exposes the group think of post-modernism.

Well let's stick to fundamentalism then. What does "thou shalt not kill" mean to you, exactly that? Does that include armies or do some translations allow for armies to kill enemies? Does that include the death penalty, or do some translations allow for that too? Does it include being supportive of building up a military arsenal, nuclear bombs, drones to kill others? Funny how "thou shalt not kill"...simple enough right?....yet it is understood in different ways.
How does "love your enemy" translate into prejudice and judgement for some and not for others?

 

[redleghunter]

Well let's stick to fundamentalism then. What does "thou shalt not kill" mean to you, exactly that? Does that include armies or do some translations allow for armies to kill enemies? Does that include the death penalty, or do some translations allow for that too? Does it include being supportive of building up a military arsenal, nuclear bombs, drones to kill others? Funny how "thou shalt not kill"...simple enough right?....yet it is understood in different ways.
How does "love your enemy" translate into prejudice and judgement for some and not for others?

Don't know why you posted a cartoon on a theology thread, but...

If you apply exegesis to each one of your assumptions above, it would be a good start.

First, please explain to me what you mean by fundamentalism? As you use it above has absolutely no bearing on the subject nor historical context of fundamentalism. Perhaps this would be a good start.

Exodus 20:13--Thou shalt not kill
Hebrew: ratsach רָצַח
râtsach, raw-tsakh'; a primitive root; properly, to dash in pieces, i.e. kill (a human being), especially to murder:—put to death, kill, (man-) slay(-er), murder(-er).

The KJV translates Strong's H7523 in the following manner: slayer (16x), murderer (14x), kill (5x), murder (3x), slain (3x), manslayer (2x), killing (1x), slayer (with H310) (1x), slayeth (1x), death (1x).

Outline of Biblical Usage

1. to murder, slay, kill
   
   1. (Qal) to murder, slay
      
      1. premeditated
         
         
      2. accidental
         
         
      3. as avenger
         
         
      4. slayer (intentional) (participle)
         
   2. (Niphal) to be slain
      
      
   3. (Piel)
      
      1. to murder, assassinate
         
         
      2. murderer, assassin (participle)(subst)
         
   4. (Pual) to be killed
      

Source Blue Letter Bible: Genesis Chapter 1 (KJV)

 

[Colter]

Direct revelation. God dealt directly with Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses. After them God dealt directly with judges, prophets and in some cases kings. All of the above wrote down their encounters with God whether by direct revelation, dream, vision etc.

In all encounters with God the prophet, king, patriarch or judge received not only the words of God but demonstrations of His Power and Glory.

How convienient.

 

[Dwells]

Don't know why you posted a cartoon on a theology thread, but...

If you apply exegesis to each one of your assumptions above, it would be a good start.

First, please explain to me what you mean by fundamentalism? As you use it above has absolutely no bearing on the subject nor historical context of fundamentalism. Perhaps this would be a good start.

Exodus 20:13--Thou shalt not kill
Hebrew: ratsach רָצַח
râtsach, raw-tsakh'; a primitive root; properly, to dash in pieces, i.e. kill (a human being), especially to murder:—put to death, kill, (man-) slay(-er), murder(-er).

The KJV translates Strong's H7523 in the following manner: slayer (16x), murderer (14x), kill (5x), murder (3x), slain (3x), manslayer (2x), killing (1x), slayer (with H310) (1x), slayeth (1x), death (1x).

Outline of Biblical Usage

1. to murder, slay, kill
   1. (Qal) to murder, slay
      1. premeditated
         
         
      2. accidental
         
         
      3. as avenger
         
         
      4. slayer (intentional) (participle)
   2. (Niphal) to be slain
      
      
   3. (Piel)
      1. to murder, assassinate
         
         
      2. murderer, assassin (participle)(subst)
   4. (Pual) to be killed

Source Blue Letter Bible: Genesis Chapter 1 (KJV)

Gee thanks for the definition of "kill".

 

[1213]

I know of some errors in the Bible, therefore I cannot say it is without error.

Could you say one for example?

 

[redleghunter]

How convienient.

Because God is very efficient?

Or this goes against your fallen human sensibilities?

 

[redleghunter]

Gee thanks for the definition of "kill".

If you look at in detail the rendering is 'murder.'

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Could you say one for example?

OK. Peter denied Jesus three times before the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crowed the first time . . .

Matt 26:34 Jesus said to him, "Truly I say to you that this very night, before a rooster crows, you will deny Me three times."

Matt 26:74 Then he began to curse and swear, "I do not know the man!" And immediately a rooster crowed.

Or was it the second time?

Mark 14:30 And Jesus said to him, "Truly I say to you, that this very night, before a rooster crows twice, you yourself will deny Me three times."

Mark 14:68 But he denied it, saying, "I neither know nor understand what you are talking about." And he went out onto the porch, and a rooster crowed.

Mark 14:71-72
But he began to curse and swear, "I do not know this man you are talking about!" Immediately a rooster crowed a second time. And Peter remembered how Jesus had made the remark to him, "Before a rooster crows twice, you will deny Me three times." And he began to weep.
NASU

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Don't know why you posted a cartoon on a theology thread, but...

Sad to see posts like this. Some people have eyes but cannot see.

 

[redleghunter]

Sad to see posts like this. Some people have eyes but cannot see.

Indeed. CF has their own political cartoon section. Such is not for theology threads. Thanks for the backup.