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Futurist Only Is the Antichrist anointed?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by tranquil, May 22, 2020 at 6:24 PM.

  1. tranquil

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    Is the 'antichrist' or 'false prophet' anointed the messiah? Just wondering.

    Could Daniel 9's anointed one be referring to the antichrist?

    Is there an anointed person who builds the next temple?
     
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  2. jasonMalloy1999

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    no the temple will be bild by normal builders but after the antichrist will be entering there claiming to be jesus
     
  3. Brian Mcnamee

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    Hi your question is very good and I have studied this scenario and can tell you for sure I do not know. Jesus noted that He came in His Fathers name and they rejected him and then added but if another comes in his own name him you will accept. Dan 9 notes that the prince who shall come will put an end to the daily sacrifice in the middle of the week and that he, this coming prince will affirm a covenant with Israel and the many for 1 week. This really makes sense that it is the abomination of desolation that Jesus warns about in the middle of the week. 2 Thess 2 and Rev 13 both show Satan empowering the man of sin in 2 Thes 2 and the beast is Rev 13 both of whom are destroyed as the 2nd coming. it is at this mid point where the mark of the beast and the image of the beast are rolled out. This is when they both persecute Jews and Christians and when Jesus told them to flee when they see the abomination of desolation. Dan 7 tells the exact same narrative with again a 42 month time or persecution before the kingdom comes. So if Israel anoints him it will be before the abomination of desolation but for sure they will wake up quick when he claims to be God.
     
  4. nonaeroterraqueous

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    "Seventy weeks are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy."

    This does not describe an Antichrist.

     
  5. nonaeroterraqueous

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    The daily sacrifice has already come to an end. It's been that way for a long time.
     
  6. Brian Mcnamee

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    Yes it has been that way let say many days....which is exactly what Hosea says is the sign to watch for in chapter 3. For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. 5 Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They shall fear the LORD and His goodness in the latter days.
    You see in Jesus day the sacrifice was up and running a long time. it is after many days without a king or a sacrifice which implies that after many days they will have it. 2 Thess 2 has the man of sin being revealed in the temple and he is empowered by Satan with lying signs and wonders that he claims to be a god and people believe him. if Daniel's abomination of desolation is in the middle of the week we would expect to see a 3rd temple come into being. The middle of the week is exactly when the antichrist who also is empowered by Satan receives authority over every tribe tongue kindred and nation for 42 month. He and the man of sin are both destroyed by the brightness of the 2nd coming. These things are future and if you doubt it look up the Temple Institute and you will see momentum and direction is moving towards this very reality.
     
  7. Douggg

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    The function of the Anti-Christ is as the King of Israel coming in his own name. The Jews are looking for Elijah to come before the messianic begins. The Jews also believe that a known prophet will anoint the messiah the King of Israel - as has been done in the past with Samuel the prophet anointing Saul and David. And Nathan the prophet anointing Solomon as king.

    In Revelation 13, the false prophet calls fire down from heaven - like Elijah did.

    Therefore, it is almost a certainty that early on, the false prophet will claim to be Elijah. Putting it all together, the false prophet will be the one who anoints the prince who shall come (the little horn person coming from Europe) to be the King of Israel.

    Which is what actually makes the person the Antichrist in the Antichrist role.
     
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  8. Brian Mcnamee

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    hi Doug your scenario could be possible if Israel is divided into two camps those who accept the beast and those who flee. But since both Dan 7 and Rev 13 show the beast is persecuting both Jews and Christians there may not be many Jews who are down with AC. on the other hand Rev warns of those who say they are jews but are a synogogue of Satan. We are interesting times and it will be 20 / 20 in the rear view mirror.
     
  9. Douggg

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    Brian, what I think is that the Jews, Israel, will initially believe the prince who shall come, the little horn person, leader of the EU is the messiah in the wake of Gog/Magog.

    They will be enamored with the person. And it will appear to many who are Christians at that time, the Jews were right all along, and many will fall away from Christianity. It could be that the rapture had already taken place, and those Christians are the five foolish virgins. But that possiblity can't be said for certain.

    The great falling away will be during that first three years or so of the Antichrist King of Israel period.

    It is not until the Antichrist betrays Israel and the covenant (that God is the One True God), by committing the transgression of desolation act in 2Thessalonians2:4. Revealing that he is not the messiah that the Jews had strongly believed.

    It is then, that the Jews eyes will be opened and they will turn to Jesus for the remainder of the 7 years.

    Persecuted at first by the beast, and then after the war in the second heaven in Revelation 12:7-9 by Satan as well. Revelation 12:10 is about the Jews finally believing upon Jesus and the gospel of Salvation.

    During the great tribulation, many from nations around the world, will turn to Jesus as well, and are the great tribulation saints.
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    Them who claim to be Jews, but are not, could have many interpretations. I don't think it is an indicator that some of the Jews will worship the beast though.

    Among one of the interpretations, is that of the Hebrew Israelite group (blacks who claim that they are the Jews) movement. They have many You Tube videos.

    Also it could be a reference to the pharisees, and religious establishment that were persecuting the early church.
     
  10. Brian Mcnamee

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    As always good insights . I am not certain that Gog Magog is not going to be Armageddon. The fact is Gog is again part of the battle after the millennium and that this event is described as when Israel is transformed. 7 So I will make My holy name known in the midst of My people Israel, and I will not let them profane My holy name anymore. Then the nations shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel. 8 Surely it is coming, and it shall be done,” says the Lord GOD. “This is the day of which I have spoken. The great earthquake when Gog is defeated is much like the earthquake in Rev at the end too. They also will be burning the weapons for fuel for 7 years which would seem to require no interruption in this timeline which the arrival of anitchrist would certainly bring. I am not dogmatic on this view and wonder about Zech 12 and 14 being two separate events as well as in 12 it is a one sided victory for Israel and in 14 Jerusalem is overrun when the LORD comes. Ezekiel 38 could very well be chapter 12 battle.
     
  11. tranquil

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    You are emphasizing the 'holy' aspect. I am asking you to see the 'anointed' aspect - anointed as if that person was holy.

    But that is a moot point anyway as there are 2 people being 'anointed' in the prophecy: the 'prophet' (not 'prophecy', it is H5030 'nabi' Strong's Hebrew: 5030. נָבִיא (nabi) -- a spokesman, speaker, prophet which is overwhelmingly translated as 'prophet') and the 'most holy'. ('Sealing' is synonymous with 'anointing' see: 2 Corinthians 1:21-22).
     
  12. PROPHECYKID

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    His point was that it must be an anointed person (Jesus Christ) who can anoint the most holy. So it does answer your question. Daniel 9 is not talking about an antichrist at all
     
  13. tranquil

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    I thought this would be an easy one for you Doug.

    Ezek 28
    1The word of the Lord came to me: 2“Son of man, say to the prince of Tyre, Thus says the Lord God:

    “Because your heart is proud,
    and you have said, ‘I am a god,
    I sit in the seat of the gods,
    in the heart of the seas,’
    yet you are but a man, and no god,
    though you make your heart like the heart of a god—
    [...]
    7therefore, behold, I will bring foreigners upon you,
    the most ruthless of the nations;
    and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of your wisdom
    and defile your splendor.

    14 You were an anointed guardian cherub.
    I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God;
    in the midst of the stones of fire you walked.

    [...]
    16 In the abundance of your trade
    you were filled with violence in your midst, and you sinned;
    so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God,
    and I destroyed you, O guardian cherub,
    from the midst of the stones of fire.

    18 By the multitude of your iniquities,
    in the unrighteousness of your trade
    you profaned your sanctuaries;

    so I brought fire out from your midst;
    it consumed you,
    and I turned you to ashes on the earth
    in the sight of all who saw you.
    2ndly, if one goes by Daniel 9:27, that person who confirms the covenant is anointed. The 'prince to come' in Daniel 9:26 is a call back to Daniel 9:25's 'prince, an anointed one'.

    As to the question of is there an anointed one who builds the temple - of course there is.

    Zech 3
    6And the angel of the Lord solemnly assured Joshua, 7“Thus says the Lord of hosts: If you will walk in my ways and keep my charge, then you shall rule my house and have charge of my courts, and I will give you the right of access among those who are standing here. 8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who sit before you, for they are men who are symbolic: behold, I will bring my servant the Branch.

    9 For behold, on the stone that I have set before Joshua, on a single stone with seven eyes, I will engrave its inscription, declares the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of this land in a single day. 10In that day, declares the Lord of hosts, every one of you will invite his neighbor to come under his vine and under his fig tree.”​

    Zech 6
    10“Take from the exiles Heldai, Tobijah, and Jedaiah, who have arrived from Babylon, and go the same day to the house of Josiah, the son of Zephaniah. 11Take from them silver and gold, and make a crown, and set it on the head of Joshua, the son of Jehozadak, the high priest. 12And say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts, “Behold, the man whose name is the Branch: for he shall branch out from his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord. 13 It is he who shall build the temple of the Lord and shall bear royal honor, and shall sit and rule on his throne. And there shall be a priest on his throne, and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.”’ 14And the crown shall be in the temple of the Lord as a reminder to Helem,c Tobijah, Jedaiah, and Hen the son of Zephaniah.

    15“And those who are far off shall come and help to build the temple of the Lord. And you shall know that the Lord of hosts has sent me to you. And this shall come to pass, if you will diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God.”
    Zech 4
    9“The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also complete it. Then you will know that the Lord of hosts has sent me to you. 10For whoever has despised the day of small things shall rejoice, and shall see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel.

    These seven are the eyes of the Lord, which range through the whole earth.” 11Then I said to him, “What are these two olive trees on the right and the left of the lampstand?” 12And a second time I answered and said to him, “What are these two branches of the olive trees, which are beside the two golden pipes from which the golden oil is poured out?” 13He said to me, “Do you not know what these are?” I said, “No, my lord.” 14Then he said, “These are the two anointed ones who stand by the Lord of the whole earth.”
    It is very clear that 'Joshua' and 'Zerubabbel' are the 2 anointed ones building the temple.

    Symbolic 'Joshua' is the 'branch' and 'anointed' ('Joshua' itself is the exact same name as 'Jesus' in Hebrew/ 'Yeshua'). But there is a 'worthless branch' worded in the same manner as the king of Tyre in Ezek 28

    Isaiah 14
    12“How you are fallen from heaven,
    O Day Star, son of Dawn!
    How you are cut down to the ground,
    you who laid the nations low!
    13 You said in your heart,
    ‘I will ascend to heaven;
    above the stars of God
    I will set my throne on high;
    I will sit on the mount of assembly
    in the far reaches of the north;c
    14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
    I will make myself like the Most High.’

    15But you are brought down to Sheol,
    to the far reaches of the pit.

    19 but you are cast out, away from your grave,
    like a loathed branch,

    clothed with the slain, those pierced by the sword,
    who go down to the stones of the pit,
    like a dead body trampled underfoot.​

    Lastly, from Daniel 11

    45 And he shall plant the tabernacle of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
    Putting it all together, there is an anointed one, a branch, a worthless branch, who establishes a tabernacle between the sea and the holy mountain.
     
  14. Douggg

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    Brian, the I will not let them profane My holy name anymore - is not a inference that the Jews have become Christians immediately after Gog/Magog. I can understand the logic though in thinking that.

    Back in Ezekiel 36, when God exiled the Jews into the nations, there was saying going on among the nations where they were exiled "These are the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land" ... that it made it look like the God of Israel was unable to stop it from happening - essentially profaning God's name as being incapable.

    Ezekiel 36:20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land.

    21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.

    In Ezekiel 38/39, God will stand up and defend Israel supernaturally, so as the nations will not be able to say that against God (of Him being incapable) by what they saw of Israel being defeated in the past.
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    The 7 years following the destruction of Gog's army, the burning of the weapons, will be partly during the false messianic age, and the rest during the fleeing into the mountains, where the fuel in vehicles will scavenged by the Jews there.
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    Zechariah 14, the gathering of the nations against Jerusalem is at the end of the seven years. The battles in Daniel 11:40-44 are near the end which draws the nations into the middle east, to battle against the beast.

    The sixth seal event then happens, which the nations unify under the beast, the false prophet, and Satan (the speaking, living image) - to try and stop Jesus from executing retribution on them for the martyred tribulation saints - and to put an end to great tribulation; Satan's time, times, half time reign of terror; and the final blow to Satan kingdom figuratively called Babylon the Great.

    Yes, Zechariah 14 is the battle of Armageddon, which Jesus will stand on the Mt. of Olives splitting it in half.
     
  15. Douggg

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    Ezekiel 28:1-10 is about the prince of tyre (code name for the revealed man of sin)
    Ezekiel 28:14-18 is about the king of tyre (code name for Satan) and his demise.

    Isaiah 14:12-14 is about Satan.
    Isaiah 14:15-20 transitions to the slain revealed man of sin (from Ezekiel 28:7-10), a Jew, who destroys his land and slays his people, descended from David, but an abominable branch.

    The slain revealed man of sin will be brought back to life in Isaiah 14:18-20 - as the beast. The mortallly wounded come back to life head in Revelation 13, is the revealed man of sin, his being killed and brought back to life.

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    Daniel 11:45 is not about rebuilding of the temple - albeit the Antichrist in the first part of the 7 years may be involved in the rebuilding of the temple, remains to be seen.

    Daniel 11:45 is talking about the beast making his last stand in Jerusalem, the tabernacle is the temple, but it is not the rebuilding of the temple. The rebuilding will take place around 7 years earlier, and the sacrifices begun again - when the Jews, Israel, will be thinking he is the messiah at that time.
     
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  16. tranquil

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    Just like the 'branch' will 'build the temple', the 'worthless branch'/ 'loathsome branch' will rebuild the temple. And he is anointed in Ezekiel 28:14. And the 'prince' in Daniel 9:27 is anointed (Daniel 9:25).

    Daniel 11
    45 And he shall plant the tabernacle of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
    that is the King of the North 'establishing' his tabernacle, which he pollutes in Ezekiel 28:18.

    Eventually, he comes to his end.
     
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