Is the 1000 year kingdom literal?

[The Times]

@Dave L

Think about it.....if Satan is chained in the 1st century and you don't dispute that, then those who are raised, are raised after Satan's 1000 year chaining has expired, where Satan goes out to deceive the nations in the final battle of Gog and Magog.


This further means, that the resurrection after the 1000 years of Satan's chaining is the Judgement of the Dead, at the White Throne Judgement, when the books are opened.


This 1st resurrection is the resurrection of the Dead, it is not a spiritual being born resurrection that happened within the 1st century, it is the one and only resurrection at the Judgement of the Dead, after The Judgement of Satan in the Lake of Fire. Remember that within the 1st century when Satan was chained in the battle of Armageddon, the Beast and the False Prophet were thrown in the Lake of fire, never to rise again. After the 1000 years of Satan's chaining in the battle of Gog and Magog, it is Satan's turn to be thrown in the Lake of fire where he will never rise again.

 

[The Times]

After the 1000, Satan must be set free for a short time.


I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God.


As soon as souls are mentioned, with a declaration of beheading, we are informed that they have biologically died in Christ and hence, these martyred Saints are the ones who came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


This is not talking of subjects who are still in their earthly bodies, but rather talks of subjects of souls under the altar of God (soul repository), who are taking part in the 1st resurrection, which is the one and only resurrection of the Dead, on the last day (singular).


This is not talking about subjects, within the 1st century who are alive in their earthly bodies, before Satan's 1000 years has expired, is it?

 

[The Times]

Satan's 1000 years expire, then Christ's a 1000 years commences in his Father's house.

 

[Dr Bruce Atkinson]

In light of
Luke 1:33
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
If its a 1000 years then it must end???

The Kingdom of God is made up of Jesus as King and all the saints of God and His angels; this Kingdom will never end.
However, there is a particular prophesied age and reign on earth that will have a beginning and an end. The beginning is even now occurring as people are born-again into the Kingdom, but the more visible inception is will be when Jesus returns and Satan is bound in the bottomless pit. At the end of this particular age will be the Eschaton, where Satan is allowed out briefly and then the Final Judgment comes. The old creation is destroyed (because imperfect and tainted with sin) and a new heaven and earth are created. Meanwhile, all the saints of God (believers, children of God) will be with and in the Resurrected Christ (who cannot die) and will be resurrected individually as members of the eternal Kingdom. We know what happens to Satan and his rebellious angels and human children. This is the classic Christian interpretation of the Revelation references.

My questions are: Why does it matter whether or not the 1000 years is literal or not? What difference does it make to us here and now? What reasons are there to think it is NOT literal? I have yet to hear a good argument that necessitates making it metaphorical. Mostly, it is people who do not really believe in the divine inspiration and accuracy of the scriptures who want to make this period of time blurry and indistinct. But God gives it a clear beginning and ending in Revelation 20.

A summary of the most common historic differences in interpretation:
https://www.theopedia.com/millennial-kingdom

 

[BABerean2]

This further means, that the resurrection after the 1000 years of Satan's chaining is the Judgement of the Dead, at the White Throne Judgement, when the books are opened.

Rev 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."

The Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
Christ returns in Revelation 16:15-16, and also in chapter 19.

In 2 Timothy 4:1 we find that Christ judges both the living and the dead at His return.

How many mortals are left alive on the planet after the judgment of the sheep and goats in Matthew 25:31-46?

.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

But John says the 1000 years represent the binding of Satan. When Satan is loosed the 1000 years end. They are not the kingdom of God. It is eternal.

The 1000 years ends but the reign of Jesus certainly does not. I pointed out clear Biblical text in Zech it shows the very day the LORD is king over all the earth is the day He comes with His saints. The passage shows that a new river will form and flow year round and the nations must keep the feast of Tabernacles after Jesus comes. The release of Satan is at the end of the 1000 years thus ending the age. When the new Jerusalem comes down the reign of Jesus has not been interrupted at all and never will be. I showed that the beast have lost their dominion in Dan 7 and that the kingdom is one without end. That does not mean or imply that the world will not end. We see clear distinctions to when and how the beast and false prophet are destroyed and cast into the lake of fire. They have actually over run Jerusalem in Zech 14 and are gathered at Armageddon. At the end of the 1000 years they surround the city and that is it. All of these spiritualaztions of the texts lead to replacement theology which makes God a liar and many of the prophecies false as they will be unfulfilled. Luke 1 Zacharias by the Holy Spirit says this of Jesus.
68 “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people,
69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of His servant David,
70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
Who have been since the world began,
71 That we should be saved from our enemies
And from the hand of all who hate us,
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers
And to remember His holy covenant,
73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
74 To grant us that we,
Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life.

Look again at Dan 7 and Zech 14 I see Jesus saving Israel from their enemies just as promised here. A time of serving without fear is promised and in holiness and righteousness. We are only made holy and righteous through faith in Christ so in Zech 14 the magic moment is in that day that the LORD comes withe His saints and is proclaimed king over all the earth it says,"in that day they will say the LORD is one" This is Israel seeing Jesus coming in glory and confessing the LORD is one including Jesus. This is why the great mourning described in many passages Isiah 61 Zech 12 as Israel now knows that they have rejected the LORD and the Jesus was the Christ and he still saves them. This glorious destiny is accomplished after Daniels 70th week and the abomination of desolation occurring with 42 months to go. If you look outside all the dominoes for the literal interpretation are setting up in great detail. The nation of Israel will be divided the temple will be built and global government is coming. This is great evidence that the literal view is the correct view.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

Rev 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."

The Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
Christ returns in Revelation 16:15-16, and also in chapter 19.

In 2 Timothy 4:1 we find that Christ judges both the living and the dead at His return.

How many mortals are left alive on the planet after the judgment of the sheep and goats in Matthew 25:31-46?

.

Chapter 20 is in chronological order and stands on its own as it is clear this is the end of the promised 42 months which were given to the beast and false prophet in Rev 13 5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[Dave L]

The 1000 years ends but the reign of Jesus certainly does not. I pointed out clear Biblical text in Zech it shows the very day the LORD is king over all the earth is the day He comes with His saints. The passage shows that a new river will form and flow year round and the nations must keep the feast of Tabernacles after Jesus comes. The release of Satan is at the end of the 1000 years thus ending the age. When the new Jerusalem comes down the reign of Jesus has not been interrupted at all and never will be. I showed that the beast have lost their dominion in Dan 7 and that the kingdom is one without end. That does not mean or imply that the world will not end. We see clear distinctions to when and how the beast and false prophet are destroyed and cast into the lake of fire. They have actually over run Jerusalem in Zech 14 and are gathered at Armageddon. At the end of the 1000 years they surround the city and that is it. All of these spiritualaztions of the texts lead to replacement theology which makes God a liar and many of the prophecies false as they will be unfulfilled. Luke 1 Zacharias by the Holy Spirit says this of Jesus.
68 “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people,
69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of His servant David,
70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
Who have been since the world began,
71 That we should be saved from our enemies
And from the hand of all who hate us,
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers
And to remember His holy covenant,
73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
74 To grant us that we,
Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life.

Look again at Dan 7 and Zech 14 I see Jesus saving Israel from their enemies just as promised here. A time of serving without fear is promised and in holiness and righteousness. We are only made holy and righteous through faith in Christ so in Zech 14 the magic moment is in that day that the LORD comes withe His saints and is proclaimed king over all the earth it says,"in that day they will say the LORD is one" This is Israel seeing Jesus coming in glory and confessing the LORD is one including Jesus. This is why the great mourning described in many passages Isiah 61 Zech 12 as Israel now knows that they have rejected the LORD and the Jesus was the Christ and he still saves them. This glorious destiny is accomplished after Daniels 70th week and the abomination of desolation occurring with 42 months to go. If you look outside all the dominoes for the literal interpretation are setting up in great detail. The nation of Israel will be divided the temple will be built and global government is coming. This is great evidence that the literal view is the correct view.

You need to interpret the OT by the NT and not the other way around. The 1000 years is not the kingdom The kingdom is eternal.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

there is no end of the kingdom at the end of the 1000 years just a change of the geographic location.
Dan 7
Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,
That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
Which shall not pass away,
And His kingdom the one
Which shall not be destroyed. rev 11 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” This is clearly showing the kingdom is on earth and it will not end so do not trip that it in on earth for 1000 years then the kingdom does not end the earth ends. In
Col we see
He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood,[fn] the forgiveness of sins.
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

Jesus created all things for Himself thrones, dominions and all, he let the drama play out on earth and when he takes over He has all dominion forever everywhere. In Mathew 28 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." Jesus has yet to take the authority from Satan and won't until the end of the tribulation.

 

[redleghunter]

Yes, but the dragon symbolizes Satan. So we have many symbols that John explains once in a while.

Are there unexplained symbols in Revelation?

 

[redleghunter]

John says the 1000 years is the binding of Satan. When God looses Satan the kingdom remains for him to attack so the 1000 years is not the Kingdom.

Within the same passage of the binding of Satan is the following:

Revelation 20: NASB
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

4Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Now unless you believe Frank the First is reigning now with his college of cardinals in Rome in the stead of Christ, the above underlined needs some explanation.

 

[Dave L]

Are there unexplained symbols in Revelation?

I think some know more than others about the symbolism. But if you look at what the symbol represents and ask yourself, when or where has this happened before, you can see a lot of possibilities in history and also know more about what to expect from now on. Many miss the meaning of the symbol and look for the symbol to materialize though.

 

[redleghunter]

You cannot wrap a chain around a demon. But Satan is a liar and the gospel is the truth that binds him.

Why can't a supernatural being bind another supernatural being with a supernatural object?

Plus the Eternal Gospel is already mentioned in Revelation 14:6 and is not symbolized by a chain.

 

[Dave L]

Within the same passage of the binding of Satan is the following:

Revelation 20: NASB
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

4Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Now unless you believe Frank the First is reigning now with his college of cardinals in Rome in the stead of Christ, the above underlined needs some explanation.

But the kingdom continues after the 1000 years. Satan attacks it. The saints reign during the binding of Satan. They are the messengers (angel = Greek messenger) who bind Satan with a great chain (the message) for 1000 years (Satan completely bound by the gospel (message). Kept from deceiving the gentile nations) where we preach the gospel.

 

[redleghunter]

If you think Christ rules on this rotten, sin-cursed world, you are ignoring 2 Peter 3:10-13, which says this world is going to be burned up on the day of the Lord, when He returns as a thief.

In Galatians 4:24-27, Paul says out home is now "above".

The same idea is found in Hebrews 11:15-16.
New Jerusalem is our future home.

Based on Psalm 2, Christ destroys the wicked with the rod of Iron, He does not use it to threaten people, like a school-master.

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This will happen after the GWT judgment of course.

 

[Dave L]

Why can't a supernatural being bind another supernatural being with a supernatural object?

Plus the Eternal Gospel is already mentioned in Revelation 14:6 and is not symbolized by a chain.

The angel = Greek messenger. The chain = the message (gospel). The 1000 years = the binding by the saints who rule over him. Satan loosed = the gospel falls on deaf ears and Satan once again deceives the nations.

 

[redleghunter]

But the kingdom continues after the 1000 years. Satan attacks it. The saints reign during the binding of Satan. They are the messengers (angel = Greek messenger) who bind Satan with a great chain (the message) for 1000 years (Satan completely bound by the gospel (message). Kept from deceiving the gentile nations) where we preach the gospel.

I've mentioned this twice. You have to stop with the straw man that Kingdom only = 1,000 years. Christ reigns now. He will fulfill the promises of the Messianic Kingdom for a 1,000 years and is a Kingdom without end. This again:

Ephesians 1: NASB
9He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth.

Meaning all of the Attributes, Titles and reigns are summed up in Christ. The 1,000 year reign to fulfill the Messianic prophecies being a part of 'all things.'

The Kingdom of God transcends time and space as it was the Kingdom of God before time and space (Genesis 1:1). It is truly an Eternal Kingdom with many administrations/covenants all fulfilled through and in Jesus Christ God the Son.

 

[redleghunter]

I think some know more than others about the symbolism. But if you look at what the symbol represents and ask yourself, when or where has this happened before, you can see a lot of possibilities in history and also know more about what to expect from now on. Many miss the meaning of the symbol and look for the symbol to materialize though.

Not hard to figure out if you dig into the Prophets of the Old Testament.

 

[Dave L]

Not hard to figure out if you dig into the Prophets of the Old Testament.

You must view what they said from a NT position. Who would have thought John the Baptists was Elijah? Or Jesus the Temple restored?

 

[Dave L]

I've mentioned this twice. You have to stop with the straw man that Kingdom only = 1,000 years. Christ reigns now. He will fulfill the promises of the Messianic Kingdom for a 1,000 years and is a Kingdom without end. This again:

Ephesians 1: NASB
9He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth.

Meaning all of the Attributes, Titles and reigns are summed up in Christ. The 1,000 year reign to fulfill the Messianic prophecies being a part of 'all things.'

The Kingdom of God transcends time and space as it was the Kingdom of God before time and space (Genesis 1:1). It is truly an Eternal Kingdom with many administrations/covenants all fulfilled through and in Jesus Christ God the Son.

You are turning the 1000 years into something it is not.