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Featured Is someone who threatens to bring a gun to church, a true Christian?

Discussion in 'Christian Advice' started by baptistgirl21, Jan 10, 2020.

  1. baptistgirl21

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    Long story short, I've been stalked for months and this girl threatened to bring a gun to shoot up the church. She ended up coming back to church 3 more times and I think she's back for good now. Problem is, I'm terrified of going back now. I'm very upset with my family because they criticized me for feeling like she shouldn't be allowed back in the building, and also because I say she's not a true Christian. They even encouraged me not to get a restraining order. Because if I do, that means either me or my stalker has to leave the church, which they already said would be me, and they think that's causing conflict within the church. Why should I have to leave the church I was born and raised in all because some psychopath decides he/she wants to shoot up the place? It's absolutely ridiculous. Ok, back to the main question. Would a true Christian really do this and am I wrong for saying she's not a true Christian? I mean, she's so scary and the fact that no one cares is absolutely absurd.
    I know only God can judge, but the bible also says to give a righteous judgment. I'm not judging by appearances or anything. I'm judging the fact that she has harassed me and made my life a living nightmare, despite the death of my sweet mother, and threatened to bring a gun to church. Pray for me if you all can. I was just feeling better until I found out she was coming back to church.
     
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  2. Darkhorse

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    You should get a restraining order against her. Listen to the threats.

    I'll pass on the "true Christian" part - that's above my qualifications.

    For the record, I carry a concealed gun in church, but no one knows it.
    No threats, no intimidation, just quiet safety for the congregation.
     
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  3. thecolorsblend

    thecolorsblend If God is your Father, who is your Mother?

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    If you can prove that she threatened you and is stalking you then you can probably file a police report. That's the option I recommend.
     
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  4. LaBèlla

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    Most people who’ve been threatened with physical violence, harassed, and a possible shooting spree in their place of worship aren’t contemplating the aggressor’s Christianity.

    They’re taking the necessary steps to secure their safety through practical and legal channels. You’re focusing on the wrong thing.

    ~Bella
     
  5. dzheremi

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    Yikes. First restraining order, then theology.
     
  6. paul1149

    paul1149 that your faith might rest in the power of God Supporter

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    This is a matter for the elders and the police. At the very least, the church should make sure its security provisions are adequate. But they're in the dark unless they're told what's going on.
     
  7. ChicanaRose

    ChicanaRose Well-Known Member

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    Why aren't they involving the police? This isn't about taking sides. It's about safety (especially given all the things we see in the news).
     
  8. Aussie Pete

    Aussie Pete Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Without knowing all the facts, it would seem that you have a point. The Bible says that we show that we have passed from life to death when we love the brethren. Stalking is not love.
    Have you spoken to her? Lord Jesus said that we need to confront those who have taken offence at us, even if they are unjustified. I've had to do that myself. It was not easy but it worked out really well. A serious misunderstanding was cleared up and life went back to normal.
     
  9. crossnote

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    What is the supposed connection between her stalking you and wanting to shoot up the Church?
    Sounds like some mental problems going on.
     
  10. CharismaticLady

    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The police needs to know about her threat. If you don't tell them and she does kill someone, you are also responsible and an accomplice.
     
  11. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The last time someone took out a gun in a church they were dead within 6 seconds. There are a lot of well trained people out there and usually crazy people with guns do not have any training at all.
     
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  12. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    He should report what he knows to the elders of the church and let them deal with it. From what I read here satan is working more on him then satan seems to be working on her. I had a women stalk me once and I was honored that she thought enough about me that she was obsessed with me like that. Even I was glad to be her friend. When we get to Heaven we are all going to get along with each other there.
     
  13. CharismaticLady

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    Them too, but not INSTEAD of the police in this day and age.

    It is actually a girl that is stalking her. The poster is female.
     
  14. ChicanaRose

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    This is where I feel that there is a major disconnect...if someone threatened to bring a gun to shoot up a church, I would not feel better until my safety is absolutely ensured. Her not showing up for a while would not make me feel any safer.
     
  15. LaBèlla

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    Your family’s reaction is odd. Why would they side with someone trying to harm you? There are numerous cases where relatives were hurt through association.

    And saying you would have to leave the church is equally strange. Have you had problems in the past? Are there mental health issues you aren’t disclosing?

    ~Bella
     
  16. hope faith love

    hope faith love ****LOVE****

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    #1 are you provoking her in any way including verbally? if not and if the pastor elders and members of that church are not taking this issue seriously **** it time for you to ask God to lead you to another church **** make sure you obey the spirit on where he leads you to go **** i understand your concern on both ends being a member there a long time and not wanting to leave and the fact that theres a dangerous situation possibly approaching .... which concerns you and could result in many others getting hurt too **** its time to use WISDOM IN THIS SITUATION start right now seeking Guidance on whether or not to find another church and even if God does not allow you to leave the church start speaking out loud no weapon formed against me will prosper... and daily plead the blood of Jesus over yourself and ask God to cover you and surround you in a hedge of protection and if your afraid of dying theres something wrong ....

    Fear thou not; for I am with thee:
    be not dismayed; for I am thy God:
    I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee;
    yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
    Isaiah 41:10 | KJV | strength worrying equipment
    What time I am afraid, I will trust in thee.
    Psalm 56:3 | KJV | trust God
    Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.
    Joshua 1:9 | KJV | God encouragement courage
    Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
    Philippians 4:6-7 | KJV | gratitude prayer worrying
    hope this helps
     
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  17. Phoebe Ann

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    Restraining orders anger mentally ill people and don't always work. I once had an option to get a restraining order; I chose to move far away. I'm not saying the stalker was mentally ill, but thought it okay to disregard police at times.
     
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  18. Tolworth John

    Tolworth John Well-Known Member

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    If you have evidence of threats take them to both the police and the church elders.
    It is not normal to threaten to shoot people so take every step you can to keep yourself and people in your church safe.

    If this person continues to menace you, keep records, record messages video actions etc and seek legal protection.
     
  19. baptistgirl21

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    I have plenty of proof but I'm afraid my family will be mad at me. They don't want me getting the law involved. Plus, I haven't really been bothered by the girl in a month now. I'm just scared because she's at church again. I fear she will harm me.
     
  20. baptistgirl21

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    I know, you're right. I just feel like I will be destroying the church and my stalker's family if I get the law involved. I'm dead convinced. I tried contacting the police once but they done nothing. I was going to get a restraining order until my dad refused to take me after getting advice from a church member, who said I shouldn't get the police involved
     
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