Is SOLO Scriptura Scriptural?

[Anglian]

Remember, this thread is on SOLO Scriptura, not SOLA Scriptura

http://www.christianforums.com/t7429494-23/#post53864785

I don't care what the words of men say what does the bible alone say!!

bro', you tell 'em

But that does lead to the point I have made before, which is that nowhere in the Good Book does it tell us what books it should consist of. That being so, we know what should be in the Bible because of the tradition of the Church - and if that's so, then we can't be Solo

peace,

Anglian

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

bro', you tell 'em

But that does lead to the point I have made before, which is that nowhere in the Good Book does it tell us what books it should consist of. That being so, we know what should be in the Bible because of the tradition of the Church - and if that's so, then we can't be Solo

peace,

Anglian

Greetings Anglian....Now that the Bible can be read by ALL Christians today, why would they need to know about how it was determined which books should be in it?

When the Lord came into my life, I just picked up an NIV my daughter had and I read it from cover to cover over and over again [btw, I started reading the NT/NC first, then started on the OT/OC].

There are also vast greek/hebrew resources from which one can study even more deeply on the divine Words [though perhaps there are not that many that delve into the original language like I do .]

But I remain and always will be SOLO Scriptura myself, and whether one agrees that is the correct way to be with the Bible or not is purely ones choice I would think.

Do not all the OT/OC Scriptures point to our Lord and Savior, Jesus the Christ?
[though the Jews of today do not believe that to be the case] Thoughts?

John 5:39 "Ye are searching the Writings that ye are seeming in them life age-during to be having, and those are the ones-testifying about Me".
[2 Peter 3:16]

Reve 6:16 And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks "be falling upon us! and hide us! from Face of the One-sitting upon the Throne, and from the wrath of the Lambkin"
[Hosea 10:8/Luke 23:30]

 

[Anglian]

Dear LLOJ,

Indeed, now we have the Good News it should be with everyone

My point is a simple one. The reason we need to know how that Bible came into existence is that without it we can't know how these books, and these alone, came to be known to be the inspired word of God. That means that the Bible is part of the tradition of the Church, and if we want to know it in its fullness we read it in that tradition.

Now, of course, all we need to do is agree on which tradition. (Anglian takes tin hat and dives for cover )

peace,

Anglian

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Dear LLOJ,

Indeed, now we have the Good News it should be with everyone

My point is a simple one. The reason we need to know how that Bible came into existence is that without it we can't know how these books, and these alone, came to be known to be the inspired word of God. That means that the Bible is part of the tradition of the Church, and if we want to know it in its fullness we read it in that tradition.

Now, of course, all we need to do is agree on which tradition. (Anglian takes tin hat and dives for cover )

peace,

Anglian

Solo scripture would be believing that the events that took place were done according to the will of the Spirit. There is no reason to know the events surrounding the working because that would be seeing thru the eyes of human reasoning instead of God's. The fact that God protected the ark alone aginst Dagon is proof enough to me that He has taken care of the Ark of His Word alone w/o human help, no matter what glory they want to hold.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Dear LLOJ,

Indeed, now we have the Good News it should be with everyone

My point is a simple one. The reason we need to know how that Bible came into existence is that without it we can't know how these books, and these alone, came to be known to be the inspired word of God. That means that the Bible is part of the tradition of the Church, and if we want to know it in its fullness we read it in that tradition.

Now, of course, all we need to do is agree on which tradition. (Anglian takes tin hat and dives for cover )

peace,

Anglian

I often dive for cover on some threads, but, I never come on GT w/o first donning me special hat

http://www.christianforums.com/t7231588/
"Holy Tradition"--Who has the correct interpretation of the Traditions?

 

[Anglian]

Dear Maid,

The earliest surviving copies of the NT have in them books we do not have in our NT. Do you not think it important to know why? After all, if one believes that the Church fell away from the Truth, then how can you know which of the various copies with different books in them is really the word of God?

Jesus did not write a book. He was the Word. The Church He founded preserved the memories of what He had done and said and the blessed evangelists wrote that down so their people would know the Truth. The Blessed St. Paul wrote letters to help the Churches he founded, and those Churches kept them.

But there were many forgeries, and we are told that not all the things Christ said and did are recorded. By the second century there were different versions of what should be in the NT. What instrument did God use to ensure His people would know which books contained truth - His Church. Not individuals who, thinking themselves inspired, sought to tell others what the truth was. The latter is the teaching of men. What the Church, inspired by the Paraclete teaches, is the Truth it recongised in the the Bible it canonised.

peace,

Anglian

 

[brinny]

I often dive for cover on some threads but I never come on GT w/o first donning me special hat

http://www.christianforums.com/t7231588/
"Holy Tradition"--Who has the correct interpretation of the Traditions?

ROFLOL! i sooooooooooooooo need one o' those

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Solo scripture would be believing that the events that took place were done according to the will of the Spirit. There is no reason to know the events surrounding the working because that would be seeing thru the eyes of human reasoning instead of God's. The fact that God protected the ark alone aginst Dagon is proof enough to me that He has taken care of the Ark of His Word alone w/o human help, no matter what glory they want to hold.

Dear Maid,

The earliest surviving copies of the NT have in them books we do not have in our NT. Do you not think it important to know why? After all, if one believes that the Church fell away from the Truth, then how can you know which of the various copies with different books in them is really the word of God?

Jesus did not write a book. He was the Word. The Church He founded preserved the memories of what He had done and said and the blessed evangelists wrote that down so their people would know the Truth. The Blessed St. Paul wrote letters to help the Churches he founded, and those Churches kept them.

But there were many forgeries, and we are told that not all the things Christ said and did are recorded. By the second century there were different versions of what should be in the NT. What instrument did God use to ensure His people would know which books contained truth - His Church. Not individuals who, thinking themselves inspired, sought to tell others what the truth was. The latter is the teaching of men. What the Church, inspired by the Paraclete teaches, is the Truth it recongised in the the Bible it canonised.

peace,

Anglian

You didn't address my point. You just reiterated what you already said.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

ROFLOL! i sooooooooooooooo need one o' those

1 picture is worth a 1000 words

1 Corinthians 4:6 These-things yet brethren! I after-figure into myself and Apollos thru/because-of ye.
That in us ye may be learning the no above/over that which hath been Written, to think that no one over the one ye may be being puffed-up/fusiousqe <5448> (5747) against the other/different.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7367166/#post51676697
1 Corin 4:6 No above what is written

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The term "Solo Scriptura" was brought up on another thread in conjunction with "Sola Scriptura".
My own definition and view of "Solo" implies Scripture only and not going outside of what is Written while "Sola" means subscribing to both what has been Written and the Oral "traditions" of the ECFs and others that claim they were orally taught by the Apostles themselves.
So I would like to here from other Christians of all denominations on how they view the difference and I would like to quote a verse from Paul:

1 Corinthians 4:6 These-things, yet brethren, I after-figure into myself and Apollos thru/because-of ye, that in us ye may be learning the no above that which hath been Written/gegraptai <1125> (5769), that no one over the one ye may be puffed up against the other.

That passage makes sense but it is also written that spiritual things are spiritually discerned .

1 Corinthians 2

13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. 14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16"For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

Scriptura Sola seems to cause a disconnect in this .

In that it appears to be bringing biblical intepretation to a place where it is words of human wisdom . No where in the Hans Solo doctrines is the Spirit even emphasized .

In my observation, there are many things that are Yes, And not Either, Or that have been made into divisive topics because of the Solo Track Mind .

 

[Anglian]

Solo scripture would be believing that the events that took place were done according to the will of the Spirit. There is no reason to know the events surrounding the working because that would be seeing thru the eyes of human reasoning instead of God's. The fact that God protected the ark alone aginst Dagon is proof enough to me that He has taken care of the Ark of His Word alone w/o human help, no matter what glory they want to hold.

Dear Maid,

which events did you have in mind? My point is that since we don't know what events ought to be in the Bible, or which books ought to be in it from the Bible itself, the Bible by itself cannot be sufficient. You don't even know what books should be in the Bible from the book itself - and if you don't know that from the Bible, how can you say that everything we need to know is in the Bible?

It is you who is relying on the man made tradition that every reader of Scripture can intepret it to mean what they think it means. My simple point is if you can't tell me what books should be in the Bible from the Bible, why should one believe everything is in the Bible?

peace,

Anglian

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Dear Maid,

which events did you have in mind? My point is that since we don't know what events ought to be in the Bible, or which books ought to be in it from the Bible itself, the Bible by itself cannot be sufficient. You don't even know what books should be in the Bible from the book itself - and if you don't know that from the Bible, how can you say that everything we need to know is in the Bible?

It is you who is relying on the man made tradition that every reader of Scripture can intepret it to mean what they think it means. My simple point is if you can't tell me what books should be in the Bible from the Bible, why should one believe everything is in the Bible?

peace,

Anglian

I guess that's where faith alone comes in. Your welcome to your opinion that the structure needs human support. It just isn't mine.

 

[Anglian]

Dear Maid,

Since you only know what books ought to be in the Bible because of tradition, you, like the rest of us rely on something other than the Bible.

The difference between us is I acknowledge it.

peace,

Anglian

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That passage makes sense but it is also written that spiritual things are spiritually discerned .

1 Corinthians 2

13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. 14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16"For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

Scriptura Sola seems to cause a disconnect in this .

In that it appears to be bringing biblical intepretation to a place where it is words of human wisdom . No where in the Hans Solo doctrines is the Spirit even emphasized .

In my observation, there are many things that are Yes, And not Either, Or that have been made into divisive topics because of the Solo Track Mind .

The Mind is a terrible thing to waste

Romans 12:2 And no ye be being conformed to the age, this,
but be ye being transformed to the renewing of the mind, into the to be testing ye what is the will of the God, the good and well-pleasing and perfect.

Reve 13:18 Here the wisdom is, the one having mind let him calculate!/yhfisatw <5585> (5657) the number of the beast,
for of man it is and the number of it six hundred sixty six.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

So in answer to the thread topic

Solo Scriptura is scriptural . but ignoring full scriptural context .

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Dear Maid,

Since you only know what books ought to be in the Bible because of tradition, you, like the rest of us rely on something other than the Bible.

The difference between us is I acknowledge it.

peace,

Anglian

You acknowledge what? That it needs human support?

The whole point of solo scripture is that there are no other books that have authority.

That's no to say that I don't agree with the HS in other writings but never as being more than written by human understanding.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The Mind is a terrible thing to waste

Romans 12:2 And no ye be being conformed to the age, this,
but be ye being transformed to the renewing of the mind, into the to be testing ye what is the will of the God, the good and well-pleasing and perfect.

Reve 13:18 Here the wisdom is, the one having mind let him calculate!/yhfisatw <5585> (5657) the number of the beast,
for of man it is and the number of it six hundred sixty six.

yes .. indeed

Mark 12

29"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' 31The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Hmm i think its kinda fishy to tear the apocrypha out of the bible and then declare Scriptura Sola .. but that's just me .

 

[Anglian]

You acknowledge what? That it needs human support?

The whole point of solo scripture is that there are no other books that have authority.

That's no to say that I don't agree with the HS in other writings but never as being more than written by human understanding.

No one is saying that any other books have authority.

What I am saying is that you cannot point to any pages in the NT which tell you what books should be in the NT.

If that is so, how do you personally know which books should be in the Bible?

If you take the earlier copies they have in them books your Bible and mine do not have in them. How do you know the copies we have are right and not the earliest copies?

peace,

Anglian

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

yes .. indeed

Mark 12

29"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' 31The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

Reve 17:9 has it in a different order than 13:18....interesting

Reve 17:9 Here the mind, the having wisdom.
The seven heads seven Mountains are, the-where the Woman is sitting on them.

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