Is SOLO Scriptura Scriptural?

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

No one is saying that any other books have authority.

What I am saying is that you cannot point to any pages in the NT which tell you what books should be in the NT.

If that is so, how do you personally know which books should be in the Bible?

If you take the earlier copies they have in them books your Bible and mine do not have in them. How do you know the copies we have are right and not the earliest copies?

peace,

Anglian

I think cf is doing a good job of keeping gnostic books out of the 'christian only' section so why worry about it?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Reve 17:9 has it in a different order than 13:18....interesting

Reve 17:9 Here the mind, the having wisdom.
The seven heads seven Mountains are, the-where the Woman is sitting on them.

Revelation 17:18
The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."

So a great city .. that was sitting on seven mountains .. now there are a bunch of cities that are built on seven mountains but .. how many of them are great?

but i guess if you round 6.66 up you get 7 ..

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Comparing 13:18 and 17:9 reminds me of proverbs and the two women spoken of in there .

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Revelation 17:18
The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."

So a great city .. that was sitting on seven mountains .. now there are a bunch of cities that are built on seven mountains but .. how many of them are great?

but i guess if you round 6.66 up you get 7 ..

I decided to start a thread concerning Revelation [and I Pray it does not get moved to the Eschatology "Twilight Zone" board

http://www.christianforums.com/t7433934/
Why *do [so] much division within Christianity on book of Revelation? http://www.christianforums.com/t7433934/

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Hmm i think its kinda fishy to tear the apocrypha out of the bible and then declare Scriptura Sola .. but that's just me .

I believe this was my last "on topic" post

that revelation thread sounds fun .

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Comparing 13:18 and 17:9 reminds me of proverbs and the two women spoken of in there .

So does the jewish/hebrew book of Revelation

Revelation 12:1 And a great Sign was seen in the heaven.
A Woman having been about-cast/peri-beblhmenh <4016> (5772) the sun, and the moon underneath of the feet of her

Reve 17:4 And the Woman was having been about-cast/peri-beblhmenh <4016> (5772) purple and scarlet and having been gilded to gold and precious stone and pearls

http://www.christianforums.com/t7405089/
What the sign?

 

[Anglian]

I think cf is doing a good job of keeping gnostic books out of the 'christian only' section so why worry about it?

yes, but as we all know, there was Christianity before cf

You, me, and the rest of us do not know what Scripture is because of the Bible, since it does not tell us what books should be in it. For that you, me, and the rest of us need the tradition of the Church. You can avoid admitting it all you like.

peace,

Anglian

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

yes, but as we all know, there was Christianity before cf

You, me, and the rest of us do not know what Scripture is because of the Bible, since it does not tell us what books should be in it. For that you, me, and the rest of us need the tradition of the Church. You can avoid admitting it all you like.

peace,

Anglian

Wow, I can't believe that your placing your whole argument on which books said to be in the bible and which didn't. Do you really think God is that mocked?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I've quoted the Gospel of Thomas before . so long as you interpret in context of the canon . it's just like any other quoted literature . it is fine .

 

[Anglian]

Wow, I can't believe that your placing your whole argument on which books said to be in the bible and which didn't. Do you really think God is that mocked?

What is odd about addressing the OP? The OP asserts that everything can be proved from the Bible. I assert you can't prove what should be in the Bible from that source. You have not shown otherwise, or even had the grace to admit you can't.

God is mocked only by those who reject all the ways He has provided for us to know Him and insist it is all in a Book.

peace,

Anglian

 

[Gregory Thompson]

So does the jewish/hebrew book of Revelation

Revelation 12:1 And a great Sign was seen in the heaven.
A Woman having been about-cast/peri-beblhmenh <4016> (5772) the sun, and the moon underneath of the feet of her

Reve 17:4 And the Woman was having been about-cast/peri-beblhmenh <4016> (5772) purple and scarlet and having been gilded to gold and precious stone and pearls

http://www.christianforums.com/t7405089/
What the sign?

12:1 is the vision of Joseph

Revelation 12 seems to be the Nation of Israel .. and following it the man child delivered up is Jesus .

Rev 17 looks like the personification of Mammon .

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

What is odd about addressing the OP? The OP asserts that everything can be proved from the Bible. I assert you can't prove what should be in the Bible from that source. You have not shown otherwise, or even had the grace to admit you can't.

God is mocked only by those who reject all the ways He has provided for us to know Him and insist it is all in a Book.

peace,

Anglian

Greetings bro! That arguement appears to be brought up by the RCC and EO quite a bit.
Perhaps we need a thread on which Denominations within Christianity use which books of the Bible.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

What is odd about addressing the OP? The OP asserts that everything can be proved from the Bible. I assert you can't prove what should be in the Bible from that source. You have not shown otherwise, or even had the grace to admit you can't.

God is mocked only by those who reject all the ways He has provided for us to know Him and insist it is all in a Book.

peace,

Anglian

ok sure, I admit the bible doesn't say which books should be in it.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

ok sure, I admit the bible doesn't say which books should be in it.

What about the OT/OC books that are quoted from by the authors of the Gospels and Epistles in the NT/NC?

 

[Anglian]

Greetings bro! That arguement appears to be brought up by the RCC and EO quite a bit.
Perhaps we need a thread on which Denominations within Christianity use which books of the Bible.

Greetings bro'

I guess that would replicate ones we've had on the OT since all of us, I think, agree on what books should be in the NT. The question of how we know what those books are is a good one

peace,

Anglian

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Greetings bro'

I guess that would replicate ones we've had on the OT since all of us, I think, agree on what books should be in the NT. The question of how we know what those books are is a good one

peace,

Anglian

Ahh.....I posted this before your post

http://www.christianforums.com/t7322018/#post53951970

 

[Anglian]

ok sure, I admit the bible doesn't say which books should be in it.

Thank you. does it not follow that 'Solo' Scripture fails at this test?

That does not mean that the Bible is not vital to us all, just that if there is a tradition which brings it to us, it might have in it other things worth our knowing. No Church that I know asserts that its tradition is more important then the Bible, although some seem to think that. Everything in our various traditions has to pass the test that it is not contradicting the Bible - Tradition - like Christ's robe, is seamless.

peace,

Anglian

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Thank you. does it not follow that 'Solo' Scripture fails at this test?

That does not mean that the Bible is not vital to us all, just that if there is a tradition which brings it to us, it might have in it other things worth our knowing. No Church that I know asserts that its tradition is more important then the Bible, although some seem to think that. Everything in our various traditions has to pass the test that it is not contradicting the Bible - Tradition - like Christ's robe, is seamless.

peace,

Anglian

The bible doesn't fail at that point. Discernment has been given to everyone. What was left out doesn't surprise a discerning mind. It's discernment that fails and pride that rules those who think that the scripture is too difficult to understand w/o human reasoning.
Like I said, God has brought the ark of the Word out of the flood and what remains within was saved.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Thank you. does it not follow that 'Solo' Scripture fails at this test?

That does not mean that the Bible is not vital to us all, just that if there is a tradition which brings it to us, it might have in it other things worth our knowing. No Church that I know asserts that its tradition is more important then the Bible, although some seem to think that. Everything in our various traditions has to pass the test that it is not contradicting the Bible - Tradition - like Christ's robe, is seamless.

peace,

Anglian

Greetings dear friend. Yes, Tradition/s has been covered quite a bit on the GT board....[here a tradition, there a tradition].....

I rather like the way this favorite commentator of mine put it, BUT, like with any commentator/theologian of the Bible, always test the Spirits to see if these are so and as my bro John so aptly put it here:

Rotherham) 1 John 4:1 Beloved! not in every spirit believe ye, but test the spirits, whether they are of God;
because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Kindgdom Bible Studies Lambs Book of Life Part 1

*SNIP*

..........According to the Emphatic Diaglott the correct rendering of the latter part of this passage is: "The Book of the Life of the Lamb." Now, what is meant by this term &#8211; THE BOOK OF THE LIFE OF THE LAMB? The wise man said, "...of the making of many books there is no end..." (Eccl. 12:12).

The book stores are filled to overflowing today with all types of books dealing with every aspect of earthly life. Even in the church world there are books setting forth every kind of viewpoint relating to God, the Bible, doctrine, Christian experience, and church order. However the subject material of most of these books largely contains a message of religious tradition and spiritual death.

But God is also producing a book &#8211; a book containing a message of life. For the past two millenniums God, by His Holy Spirit, has been writing portions of this Book in the minds and hearts of His people..............

 

[Anglian]

The bible doesn't fail at that point. Discernment has been given to everyone. What was left out doesn't surprise a discerning mind. It's discernment that fails and pride that rules those who think that the scripture is too difficult to understand w/o human reasoning.
Like I said, God has brought the ark of the Word out of the flood and what remains within was saved.

I don't think anyone suggested that the Bible fails at any point. Christ founded a Church, He wrote no book. That Church safeguards the books which convey Christ's teaching - as He said it would.

peace,

Anglian