Is SOLO Scriptura Scriptural?

[Montalban]

Well with Mary, she is the mother of Jesus who is the Son. In scripture she is never deemed mother of God for there is the trinity that takes presedence. Therefore if she is the mother of God she would have to be the mother of the Father, Son, Spirit. She mothered neither the Father nor the Spirit. So that leaves us with that she is the mother of Jesus here on earth. Because she was not His mother before He became flesh. So therefore she has to be the earthly mother of Jesus.. Forumula and conclusion.

If Jesus is God and Mary is the mother of Jesus she's the mother of God.

You're offering (some of) the same rationale Nestorius did.

But as I have oft noted even the heretics used the Bible for their beliefs.

 

[Montalban]

That sounds like a rough crowd. I think I would rather stay out of it a little to avoid any frustration.

Yeah standards aren't great either. I don't like the "You just don't get it" as a reply repeated over and over again without any attempt to explain what they think I don't get.

People not answering my questions or even answering a question I've not asked would be next down on my list.

People promising to respond but then never doing so comes next.

Championing of circular logic is not on this list. It's on my "I can't believe they said that!" list.

I know from previous experience that some things are not likely to change. But your topic is a good one and I (for one) understand your logic and would be happy to persue it further.

The way I look at it is that there's a number of people who read these things without necessarily commenting themselves. And if they see 'argument' put forward then they may be convinced. So, I offer counter-argument.

This is why I answer people's questions. Even if to say "I don't know".

 

[Montalban]

Is there a reason for not capitalizing "god" in "Jesus is god"? Sorta sounds like RC is JW.

Sounds awfully like someone struggling to score points

 

[MamaZ]

If Jesus is God and Mary is the mother of Jesus she's the mother of God.

You're offering (some of) the same rationale Nestorius did.

But as I have oft noted even the heretics used the Bible for their beliefs.

Jesus does not stand alone. Therefore Mary is the earthly mother of Jesus the Son of God.

 

[Standing Up]

Sounds awfully like someone struggling to score points

What kind of points?

 

[Montalban]

Jesus does not stand alone. Therefore Mary is the earthly mother of Jesus the Son of God.

Mary is the mother of Jesus



Jesus is God



Mary is the mother of God

That is the 'orthodox' idea noted in defence against the heretical Nestorius.




As noted, but you don't address, such heretical musings are built on the Bible too.

 

[Standing Up]

Mary is the mother of Jesus

Jesus is God

Mary is the mother of God

Jesus is also male, which doesn't mean Mary gave birth to maleness. This might help, unless you're asserting a Marian likeness to Juno:

Theotokos specifically excludes the understanding of Mary as Mother of God in the eternal sense. Christians believe that God is the cause of all, with neither origin nor source, and is therefore "without a mother." This stands in contrast to classical Greco-Roman religion in particular, where a number of divine female figures appear as "mothers" of other divinities, demi-gods, or heroes. For example, Juno was revered as the mother of Vulcan; Aphrodite, as the mother of Aeneas.

On the other hand, most Christians believe God the Son is begotten of God the Father "from all eternity" (see Trinity and Nicene Creed), but is born "in time" of Mary. Theotokos thus refers to the Incarnation, when the Second Person of the Holy Trinity took on human nature in addition to his pre-existing divine nature, this being made possible through the cooperation of Mary.
Since mainstream Christians understand Jesus Christ as both fully God and fully human, they call Mary Theotokos to affirm the fullness of God's incarnation. The Council of Ephesus decreed, in opposition to those who denied Mary the title Theotokos ("the one who gives birth to God") but called her Christotokos ("the one who gives birth to Christ"), that Mary is Theotokos because her son Jesus is one person who is both God and man, divine and human. (Some Protestants still insist that Mary cannot be truly Theotokos, but only Christotokos.[5][6]) Cyril of Alexandria wrote, "I am amazed that there are some who are entirely in doubt as to whether the holy Virgin should be called Theotokos or not. For if our Lord Jesus Christ is God, how is the holy Virgin who gave [Him] birth, not [Theotokos]?" (Epistle 1, to the monks of Egypt; PG 77:13B). Thus the significance of Theotokos lies more in what it says about Jesus than any declaration about Mary.
Theotokos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[sunlover1]

But as I have oft noted even the heretics used the Bible for their beliefs.

Championing of circular logic is not on this list. It's on my "I can't believe they said that!" list.
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Sounds awfully like someone struggling to score points

Give em hell harry!

 

[Montalban]

Jesus is also male, which doesn't mean Mary gave birth to maleness.

She gave birth to a male

This might help, unless you're asserting a Marian likeness to Juno

I don't need any help (Juno; which is a statement from you that doesn't make sense)

 

[laconicstudent]

I don't need any help (Juno; which is a statement from you that doesn't make sense)

Juno was a Roman goddess, wife of Jove, Queen of the Gods. I don't get what the point is with her, either. She didn't like Aeneas, really liked Queen Dido and Carthage....

 

[Montalban]

Juno was a Roman goddess, wife of Jove, Queen of the Gods. I don't get what the point is with her, either. She didn't like Aeneas, really liked Queen Dido and Carthage....

Yeah, she was the sister and wife of Jupiter (Jove). I'm at a loss as to the meaning.

I've not seen anyone here say Mary was a god.

Juno? Dunno?

 

[Standing Up]

She gave birth to a male

I don't need any help (Juno; which is a statement from you that doesn't make sense)

Of course not; it's everyone else. Take for example Juno. The article spells it out exactly. The question was whether you are asserting the same. If not, there's no conflict. If so, well, you apparently haven't a clue as you note in your post above. It's okay to disagree, but to act so, hmm, so, wait, maybe it's not an act. You tell us.

 

[Rick Otto]

I've not seen anyone here say Mary was a god.

I've seen equations with lip-service hedging.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yeah, she was the sister and wife of Jupiter (Jove). I'm at a loss as to the meaning.

I've not seen anyone here say Mary was a god.

Juno? Dunno?

Thank goodness for that!

2 thess 2:3 No any ye should be deluding according to no yet one manner/way that if-ever no may be coming the apostasy/apo-stasia <646> first and may be being un-covered the Man of the Sin the son of the destruction.
4 The one opposing and being exalted upon all being said god or venerated, so that him into the Sanctuary of the God as a-god to be seated, showing himself that he is a-god

 

[JacktheCatholic]

It seems kind of ironic that a teaching that has been understood since the beginning is being argued. That being Theotokos.

I believe in the 5th century some heretics were addressed formally and the council stated that Mary is the mother of God and mus be believed by all Chrisitans. Now in the 21st century we have some arguing for the same teaching that heretics were teaching in the 5th century (of course I could be wrong... it may be the 4th century).

 

[MamaZ]

Mary is the mother of Jesus



Jesus is God



Mary is the mother of God

That is the 'orthodox' idea noted in defence against the heretical Nestorius.




As noted, but you don't address, such heretical musings are built on the Bible too.

Na..Jesus was just one person. But He was before He was birthed. Therefore Mary was not mother of the Word. She was mother of the flesh for which the word became.

 

[Standing Up]

It seems kind of ironic that a teaching that has been understood since the beginning is being argued. That being Theotokos.

I believe in the 5th century some heretics were addressed formally and the council stated that Mary is the mother of God =snip-

Na..Jesus was just one person. But He was before He was birthed. Therefore Mary was not mother of the Word. She was mother of the flesh for which the word became.

On the other hand, most Christians believe God the Son is begotten of God the Father "from all eternity" (see Trinity and Nicene Creed), but is born "in time" of Mary. Theotokos thus refers to the Incarnation, when the Second Person of the Holy Trinity took on human nature in addition to his pre-existing divine nature, this being made possible through the cooperation of Mary.
Wiki, cited a few posts back

 

[MamaZ]

I don't have a problem with Mary being the Mother of Jesus. All boys and girls have a mother.

 

[simonthezealot]

^ That hasn't changed either. XD

Bread WELCOME back!

 

[Montalban]

Na..Jesus was just one person.

Are you saying Jesus was not God?