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Why is there no 'roll eyes' smiley?
With all of your implied expertise in evolutionary biology, do explain please the "new body plans" within the vertebrata that exist.
Better yet, explain first what you mean by "body plan", for I suspect that it means something different to the theologian/philosopher than it does to one that is actually knowledgeable in a relevant field.
And please - no plagiarism or paraphrases.
I second this.There is no evidece that parables are fictional. There is no reason to think Jesus invented His stories, and doing so would have no benefit. People prefer fact based stories and Jesus was not ignorant that he needed to create fictional tales.
I am throwing out 90% to cover the Old Earth creationists
As requested here is how I differ and how I match the proposed evolutionist stereotype.b) If you are an Evolutionist you of course believe in a very old earth based on our timescale, you think the Bible is irrelevant (even inaccurate), science trumps everything (whether you want to admit it or not, similar to a religion in that you have faith in it whether it’s assumptions are proven or not), you are against any form of Creation because it puts God in the picture above science.
science trumps everything (whether you want to admit it or not, similar to a religion in that you have faith in it whether it’s assumptions are proven or not)
Just sounds like you are making excuses for the lack of solid evidence for the deity you believe in. Be honest: are you this lenient about believing in anything else? If you read a book describing purple people eaters, and other people around you acted as if the book depicted a real monster, would you go on believing this monster exists even if not so much of a picture of it was ever taken? Would you never question it?Religion and science are two different areas of inquiry. Its like comparing apples and oranges they are two separate fields. You can't use one to either prove or disprove the other. God's not in the habit of standing still and being measured so people can experiment on Him nor is He going into in-depth mathematical explanations of creation etc. for us. No need for it.
Some of us have figured this out. Just waiting for the rest of you to figure it out as well .
In the meantime.. where's the popcorn?
Be honest: are you this lenient about believing in anything else? If you read a book describing purple people eaters, and other people around you acted as if the book depicted a real monster, would you go on believing this monster exists even if not so much of a picture of it was ever taken? Would you never question it?
I cannot speak for other agnostics and atheists, though I suspect my point will mirror the views of many of them. I am not seeking in such discussions to force "my truth" on your head. I see nothing in PsychoSarah's post to suggest she is seeking do so. Rather, when I engage in such argumentation I am generally attempting two things:If anyone asks I will share what I know - what I have learned in my own journey - but I won't get into pointless argumentation with people whose only purpose is to force their truth upon my head.
I cannot speak for other agnostics and atheists, though I suspect my point will mirror the views of many of them. I am not seeking in such discussions to force "my truth" on your head. I see nothing in PsychoSarah's post to suggest she is seeking do so. Rather, when I engage in such argumentation I am generally attempting two things:
That might lead them to change their wordlview, but it would hardly have been forced upon them. Quite the reverse: it would be their decision. In many instances they would have come away with a stronger conviction in their beliefs. Surely this is no bad thing?
- To point out, where appropriate, that one or more of an individual's premises are faulty.
- To encourage them to explore alternate views more deeply.
I apologise for having written unclearly. I will take a moment of your time to try to clarify.I was not making judgment calls, just stating my own position.
If it's your desire to find any fault you can with someone else's beliefs so that you can point them to your own alternatives its certainly your business.
But not everyone is going to engage - we all have different priorities. Mine is living my own beliefs.
There is no evidece that parables are fictional. There is no reason to think Jesus invented His stories, and doing so would have no benefit.
People prefer fact based stories and Jesus was not ignorant that he needed to create fictional tales.
I second this.
I know why Jesus told His parables, and you guys are proof that He was right.And I laugh, because Jesus explicitly said why he chose to speak in parables, and you, as always, illustrate why he was right.
I know why Jesus told His parables, and you guys are proof that He was right.
There is no evidece that parables are fictional. There is no reason to think Jesus invented His stories, and doing so would have no benefit. People prefer fact based stories and Jesus was not ignorant that he needed to create fictional tales.
Who cares what the Greeks thought they were.The word parable comes from the Greek παραβολή (parabolē), meaning "comparison, illustration, analogy." It was the name given by Greek rhetorician to an illustration in the form of a brief fictional narrative.
Was this fiction?Hazelponi said:So there is no argument as to whether Jesus' parables were factual stories with real people as the very definition of parable involves fiction (as opposed to nonfiction).
Who cares what the Greeks thought they were.
The Greeks thought sin was a sports term.
We say of parables that they are real stories, told with a Heavenly message.
Was this fiction?
Numbers 23:7 And he took up his parable, and said, Balak the king of Moab hath brought me from Aram, out of the mountains of the east, saying, Come, curse me Jacob, and come, defy Israel.
Indeed you did.I gave the etymology of the word which the new testament writers used to describe Jesus' analogies of the language they used.
But the Greek words don't cross-reference Hebrew words like the English words do.Hazelelponi said:They were well versed in the greek language. Im certain, being inspired by God, they didn't use words incorrectly when relating to us what Jesus said and did, or how he said and did them.
First, since you contradicted yourself I'm guessing as to your meaning behind what you said.
The very word "parable" implies a fictonal (not factual) analogy..
The word parable comes from the Greek παραβολή (parabolē), meaning "comparison, illustration, analogy." It was the name given by Greek rhetorician to an illustration in the form of a brief fictional narrative.
So there is no argument as to whether Jesus' parables were factual stories with real people as the very definition of parable involves fiction (as opposed to nonfiction).
The point of Jesus telling these parables was to illustrate a moral, not a historical documentation of real world occurrences.
The moral however, applies in very real, meaningful ways in the lives of believers.
Hopefully this post helps..
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