Is sinless perfection possible in this life?

[1watchman]

As I stated above, the issue is really about standing and state for true "born again" saints, and I should add that carnal believers in Christ will forfeit much in Heaven for our willingness to indulge the flesh. Let us who truly know God, confess all to God daily and seek to honor Him in all that we say, or do or think!

 

[jerry kelso]

As I stated above, the issue is really about standing and state for true "born again" saints, and I should add that carnal believers in Christ will forfeit much in Heaven for our willingness to indulge the flesh. Let us who truly know God, confess all to God daily and seek to honor Him in all that we say, or do or think!

1watchman,

1. Standing and state has to do with abiding in Christ according to free will choice and cooperation with God.

2. Standing and state of UES is not true. Jerry kelso

 

[Basil the Great]

I suppose that almost anything is theoretically possible, but that does not mean that it is practical or likely.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Is sinless perfection possible in this life?

Yeah I've done it so far for about the last 3 months out of the 9 or so I've been saved. People seem to forget sin is stuff like lying,killing, stealing, adultery, etc stuff like that. If you get saved and set your mind to it you can do it.

 

[jerry kelso]

I suppose that almost anything is theoretically possible, but that does not mean that it is practical or likely.

basilthegreat,

1. Theoretically would be on man's part to miss the mark because of lack of free will cooperation for all lifetime.
On God's part of being almighty sovereign it is no problem.
Relationship wise as a general rule of thumb God will not move without man's free will cooperation.
We are in rulership training in love to rule in the KoH and heavenly places 2 Timothy 2:12; Colossians 1:16.

2. 1 Peter 4:1-2 the flesh has ceased from sin so not to fulfill the things of the flesh.
Paul also said to abstain from the appearance of evil. It is practical in light of these contexts.

3. 1 John says all unrighteousness is sin which covers a lot of ground.
Because we are not perfect in our knowledge it is highly unlikely we won't miss God.
But when we lose the appetite for the struggle when resting in Christ our missing the mark is more not being perfect in knowledge and minor compared to more of ou

 

[jerry kelso]

basilthegreat,

1. Theoretically would be on man's part to miss the mark because of lack of free will cooperation for all lifetime.
On God's part of being almighty sovereign it is no problem.
Relationship wise as a general rule of thumb God will not move without man's free will cooperation.
We are in rulership training in love to rule in the KoH and heavenly places 2 Timothy 2:12; Colossians 1:16.

2. 1 Peter 4:1-2 the flesh has ceased from sin so not to fulfill the things of the flesh.
Paul also said to abstain from the appearance of evil. It is practical in light of these contexts.

3. 1 John says all unrighteousness is sin which covers a lot of ground.
Because we are not perfect in our knowledge it is highly unlikely we won't miss God.
But when we lose the appetite for the struggle when resting in Christ our missing the mark is more not being perfect in knowledge and minor compared because of experience of overcoming.
Comparable in the sense of being older and less of fear because of having been there and done that as in David never seen the righteous forsaken or his seed begging for bread. This can happen to younger ones as well depending on how much one is surrendered.
Being sinless which is possible and should and does happen is not for one to be haughty about their achievement whether for one day or one hour or one month or one year etc.
People who are very surrounded to the point of being focused on pleasing God and not the struggle of mans weakness know too well that pride comes before a fall and he who thinks he stands because they puff up will fall.
Because they understand and are more perceptive to the ravages of sin they yield more as a general rule. This doesn't make them any better just more surrendered.
Living sinless is about having a conscience more of overcoming than a conscience of sin and living holy unto God more than unholiness to the flesh. Without Holiness no man shall see the Lord and consecrating and surrendering more to God in our relationship with him and things of that nature. God bless on an overcoming life. Jerry kelso

 

[DingDing]

Is sinless perfection possible in this life?

By Christ, yes; by anyone else, no.

 

[ronandcarol]

Is sinless perfection possible in this life?
Only if you are Jesus Christ, the Son of God. The rest of us are sinners. The Bible says were have corrupt hearts that think of only sinning. The only 'near' perfect we can get is to surrender to Jesus as our Lord and Savior of our life, and we can be wearing His Robe of Righteousness. On this side of Heaven that is the best we can Hope for. (and actually it doesn't get any better than that)
ronandcarol

 

[jerry kelso]

Is sinless perfection possible in this life?
Only if you are Jesus Christ, the Son of God. The rest of us are sinners. The Bible says were have corrupt hearts that think of only sinning. The only 'near' perfect we can get is to surrender to Jesus as our Lord and Savior of our life, and we can be wearing His Robe of Righteousness. On this side of Heaven that is the best we can Hope for. (and actually it doesn't get any better than that)
ronandcarol

ronandcarol,

1. Paul said, Walk in the Spirit you won't fulfill the the the things of the flesh.
Peter said, the flesh has ceased from sin.
It is a possibility not a probability.
It is about living holy and not legalistically seeing if you can live sinless all the the time.
The essence of living free from sin is more about having faith to overcome more instead of sinning more as a Christian because we can't help but sin doctrine. Jerry kelso

 

[real tree]

Yeah I've done it so far for about the last 3 months out of the 9 or so I've been saved. People seem to forget sin is stuff like lying,killing, stealing, adultery, etc stuff like that. If you get saved and set your mind to it you can do it.

Your literally saying that you have not sinned in three months.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Your literally saying that you have not sinned in three months.

yep clearly, idk if you're attempting to dumbify what was stated, seek clarification, or you're in doubt of what the bible says is possible through christ JESUS.

 

[real tree]

yep clearly, idk if you're attempting to dumbify what was stated, seek clarification, or you're in doubt of what the bible says is possible through christ JESUS.

You may of repented. But you have sinned in the past three months.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

You may of repented. But you have sinned in the past three months.

So lets say in a hypothetical i'm an atheist, and I have skimmed through some verses in the bible and I present these verses to you.


1. Who the son of man sets free is free indeed.

2. Thy word I have hidden in my heart that I might not sin against thee


3. Sin not but if ye sin ye have an advocate with the father


4. Thou that committeth sin is of the devil (continuously)

5. God judges the righteous and is angry with the wicked everyday (wicked is synonymous with sinner)

6. Being then made free from sin ye became the servants of righteousness.


7. Lay not a foundation of repentance (once you truly repent from a sin you shouldn't return again and again)

(I quoted these from memory so wording may be off)



COnclusion: Then as an atheist I could only conclude the following if you simply state nah I'm a christian and I'm telling you you'll sin again bud.


1. The bible lies

2. Your God isn't real because apparently a christian here is telling me....hey you know salvation just keeps you from fornication for a bit and then after a few months you dive right back in you know?

3. Salvation doesn't work or your presenting me the wrong method of salvation (I would hope the atheist would consider the latter but often times they don't).





Question: So how would you respond to these verses?? You could say the bible doesn't mean what it says...but then the atheist would think... man... how can I trust a bible that doesn't mean what it says? How can christianity even be correct if the bible doesn't mean what it says?

 

[dad]

No, personally I (nor the Catholic Church) believe that being completely sinless in this life is possible (unless you are Mary, and that is by the Grace of God).

?? Really? They actually think that!?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I had a thought this morning about this. I have come to the conclusion that no matter how hard I try, I am never going to be sinlessly perfect. There are so many things ingrained in me that I find that I fail on a regular basis and then ending up feeling like cr*p about it. I sometimes feel like Paul when he cried out, "Who shall deliver me from this body of death?"

But If I can't be sinlessly perfect, and unless I am, then I cannot be acceptable to God and therefore lost. But there has to be an answer. Does this mean that I have to give up and hope for the best at the Judgment? Or do I keep trying and hoping that God will excuse me because I am trying so hard to be holy. But then, the scripture says that the person who is trying to justify himself by trying to keep a moral law, is cursed. So, I'm between a rock and a hard place; I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't.

I think that is the struggle of a person who does not fully understand what Jesus did for us on the Cross and how that makes us acceptable God in spite of our inability to reach the required standard of holiness in order to be justified. Understanding what Jesus did for us give us the reason why we should keep trying to develop better holiness, not to try and get saved, but because we are saved. The effort is still the same, but the reasons for it are different.

When Jesus died on the Cross, He took our sin and became our sinful substitute, even though He was not sinful in Himself. Then when He rose from the dead, He gave us His sinless righteousness as a "wedding garment" to clothe us and cover the "nakedness" of our sinfulness. This is what we call the righteousness of Christ. It is a free gift for those who receive Christ as Saviour. Therefore what justifies us is the finished work of Christ on Calvary, and the gift of His righteousness to clothe us, cover our sinfulness and make us acceptable to God.

Now, we have the challenge of being sanctified. This is a developmental and lifelong process. It seems much of the time that it is two steps forward and one step back. Just when we think we have the victory over something, down we go again as we succumb to the temptation of our "besetting" sin. It really does seem as if we have a "thorn in the flesh" at times, and no matter how often we plead with God for Him to remove it, up it comes again to hassle us. I have been a believer for 50 years and many times I feel that I have made no progress in sanctification at all.

I never preach on holiness, because I am not holy enough to prescribe for others what holiness should be and how to attain it. I would rather preach on the finished work of Christ and the wonderful and soul-saving gift of His righteousness to make us fully acceptable to God.

So, I say, rest in Christ for our justification, and continue working on our sanctification to improve our testimony to the world that Christians a decent, law-abiding, Jesus-loving people living a life that is worth living and recommending to unbelievers.

 

[FireDragon76]

Lutherans would say no.

The idea of sinless perfection, as I understand it used in the Holiness churches, is dangerous because it invites pride and ethical lapses.

 

[FireDragon76]

God's grace allows our lives to have a new foundation that is not based on our failures or successes, so that we don't become either nihilists or hypocrites. We can be realistic.

Sr. Hellen Prejean once said the message of the Gospel for her is that we are more than the worst thing we have ever done. If we start saying we can be perfectly sinless, that message gets robbed of its power. Because it stops being about compassion for human failure and starts being about celebrating human success.

 

[sunshineforJesus]

Not as long as we live in this flesh Its not,but through Jesus we can be more than conquerers.