Is sin forgiven if you enojoyed it?

[Mavrick JR]

I'm not sure if this is where I should ask this question, but I can't find any other place it fits.

I asked this question on another forum not related to the CF site. Got some good answers, and I want to know what you think.

I did something I'm not happy about, and I know that God has forgiven me for it. But it was something I really liked. I got thinking about it... if I enjoyed it, and wanted to do it again, would it be forgiven?

Is sin forgiven if you enjoyed it?

JR

 

[Achichem]

If I enjoyed it, and wanted to do it again, would it be forgiven?
It is called temptation,
Is sin forgiven if you enjoyed it?
Yes, you could be if you repent of it.

The word repent means to turn away from!

God Bless,
Datsar

 

[Mounts]

Mavrick, I'm sorry you might not be pleased with my words, but hear this important message. If you enjoy it still, and you wish to do it again, then you have not really repented. If you are still enslaved in sin, then the work of Christ has not been done in you yet. You see, Paul talks, in Romans, about a Christian dying with Christ but rising up in newness of life. Then he continues to explain that once you wish to do the will of your Father and will against sin, it is no longer you sinning but sin sinning in you; therefore, making you blameless. And please please please don't jump to the conclusion that I or Paul am saying it is OK to sin, Paul addresses specifically that he isn't in Romans.

So my advice to you is to read and diligently study Romans with much prayer, and pray to God for a repentant heart so that by the power of Christ you may overcome sin and temptation. I strongly suggest doing this.

May you find the Lord and please understand that I do not tell you these [seemingly] harsh things to disheart you, but to strengthen you in truth. You cannot serve sin and serve Christ; you cannot have two masters, lest you hate one and love the other as Jesus so taught--you should not enjoy sin; but rather, you should hate sin with a holy anger.

 

[JillLars]

I read something intersting the other day:

"Your conscience is what hurts when everything else feels sooo good."

You may have "liked" what you did, but obviously there was something you didn't like, or you wouldn't have turned from it, you would still be doing it. Rather than remembering and entertaining thoughts about what you liked about this sin, remember the feelings that made you dislike it.

I think that you can be forgiven, but you have to make an effort to avoid the temptation of remembering the good feelings that sin can sometimse bring because they are not real.

 

[Lynn73]

If you didn't enjoy it, why would you have wanted to do it? Sin can be very enjoyable and feel good. But what comes afterward will tell you it isn't worth it. Yes, you can be forgiven because I've been forgiven. If you truly repent and ask forgiveness. However, I find the devil likes to keep rubbing our noses in it. Just my .02

Mounts and Jill have good answers.

 

[Achichem]

Mounts and Jill have good answers.

burn

 

[Mavrick]

Mounts,

First, do me a favor. When you reply to JR’s posts, call him JR, not Mavrick. Kind of gave me a start when I thought it was something addressed to me.

Secondly, I disagree with your comments. Let me explain why.

I would like to point out two things:

JR did say that he knew he was forgiven. ( “….and I know that God has forgiven me for it.” )

Even after we have been forgiven, we will still be tempted. Temptation is not a sin, giving into temptation is.

You comment:

“If you enjoy it still, and you wish to do it again, then you have not really repented.”

Interesting that JR does not mention that he is still doing it. You made an assumption that he is, and it is wrong.

From JR’s post:

“But it was something I really liked.”

Liked..... past tense, not present.

From Da Tsar’s reply:

“It’s called temptation. Yes, you could (forgiven) be if you repent of it. The word repent means to turn away from!”

Exactly! And he has turned away from it. I really wish I could tell you what it was, but that is his choice, not mine. He does go through the temptations, but he has dedicated himself to God and avoiding it.

From Jillars reply:

“You may have "liked" what you did, but obviously there was something you didn't like, or you wouldn't have turned from it, you would still be doing it. I think that you can be forgiven, but you have to make an effort to avoid the temptation of remembering the good feelings that sin can sometimse bring because they are not real. ”

Yes, you’re right. What he didn’t like was the guilt he carried from it. He felt as though he had disappointed God and me, along with some others. His apologies went on for days. It took the longest time for us to get through to him that not only did we forgive him, but that God did as well. The temptation of remembering the good feelings is the hard part.

From Lynn73’s reply:

“Sin can be very enjoyable and feel good. But what comes afterward will tell you it isn't worth it. Yes, you can be forgiven because I've been forgiven. If you truly repent and ask forgiveness. However, I find the devil likes to keep rubbing our noses in it.”

And he did truly repent. He has been forgive, loved and never scolded. I couldn’t do that to him. The guilt he carried was more than enough punishment.

From your reply:

“May you find the Lord….

Again, you made the assumption that JR does not know the Lord. Referring to his post once more, he said, “….and I know that God has forgiven me for it.” How could God forgive him unless he knows the Lord?

Anyhow, God Bless you all!

Mavrick (JR’s Dad)

 

[Sharky]

Hey cool father son on forums

"please understand that I do not tell you these [seemingly] harsh things to disheart you, but to strengthen you in truth. You cannot serve sin and serve Christ; you cannot have two masters, lest you hate one and love the other as Jesus so taught--you should not enjoy sin; but rather, you should hate sin with a holy anger."

That's cool dude. Just be sure that you mention this when going head on with a christian which is exactly the level of help many new christians need.

Not that JR is a noob Christian that is


My sin has been with me for many years. Not a day goes by that i continue to bash it down, run it over, thrown away and beaten with a stick. I do screw up sometimes and i do sin. But heck oh heck i hate it. Repentance is difficult for me. 13 years in the fighting. God gets me through everyday.

 

[Lynn73]

Thanks for clarifying things, Maverick. I don't always catch everything in my reading.

 

[Mounts]

Maverik,

I apologize if I offened. I was not making assumptions of JR (nor did I know there was a Maverik and Maverik JR), I was just addressing if he still enjoyed it. But now that I read his post, I understand what you are saying, and understand the offense I impressed.

So my advice is this wonderful verse:

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9).

I love that--God is faithful; and that's a verse everyone should remember. Again, I apologize, but please believe me, at heart, I never assumed anything--I was just offering my advice.

Also, I say "May you find the Lord" to everyone, including Christians. Everyone can know the Lord in His glory moreso than he currently does, and that's at the heart of what I said.

 

[yajyu]

Mounts

I have read through many of your post and i have to admit that you do very good point, and you know that bible VERY well, but i don't believe that you get some of the finer parts of our faith. For instens the very deffiniton of temptation is "a cause or occasion of enticement" Enticement:"to attract artfully or adroitly or by arousing hope or desire "
Merriam-Webster's Dictionary.
Therefore by very diffinition, temptation must be pleaseing to the flesh.

However, I must applaud you for your passion, and zell. May you grow ever more in the faith and wisdom of the LORD.

 

[InGodweTrust]

We are all tempted. The Bible says submit to God and satan shall flee from you. When I have toughts of sin pop into my head I surrender to God and say Lord take these thoughts away from me. Satan tries to pull the scales over our eyes and let us see only the enjoyable side of sin, not the destruction it can cause in a persons life.
God Bless!!!

 

[Mounts]

yajyu,

That's a good point I failed to bring up.

"Keep watching and praying that you may not enter into temptation; the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak." (Mark 14:38).

You're absolutly right, our flesh is weak and desires to do sin. Jesus was always warning His disciples to pray that God not lead them into temptation, and it is very important that we do. I also have to admit I have fallen many times, so if someone thinks I put myself higher than anyone--please understand that is not so.

May you grow ever more in the faith and wisdom of the LORD.

I need such prayer. I have been praying for wisdom and faith for so long now, but when I got puffed up and hot headed because I thought I had it, the Lord revealed my foolishness yet again.

I want to apologize to all brothers on this forum, I have, in the past, put myself above you but God has showed me my foolishness. I find the book Job so interesting. The accusers of Job truly did know the nature of God and His word very well--BUT they were still wrong and angered God when they thought they were so right!! That's the danger of man trying to lift himself up, he finds he was only deceiving himself.

Only Christ is power, and only the Holy Spirit is strength. Only God gives wisdom and it is not from man's resources (Prov. 2:6). Mankind, you poor depraved fool, never trust or have confidence in your flesh.

Thank you for your kind words, but I really don't deserve any praise. I may be broken, but by the power of Christ I will rise again.

 

[yajyu]

Mounts
Can i have your first name. i'd like to keep you in my prayers.

 

[Mounts]

I'd like that. Thank you!

 

[SpiritLed]

Of course you liked it, it was sin!

One of the things I had to deal with in my walk was that while I committed sin and "felt bad". I liked to sin.

Sin brings me instant gratification.
Sin grants me my wishes
SIn gives me a vehicle to act the way I want to.

I had a problem with porn for about 30 years. It wasn't until I came to the conclusion that I was sinning because I wanted to and because I liked it that I was able to be free from that sin.

James 1:14 -- But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.

Once I prayed that God would make sin sick to me, I found deliverence.

 

[Mavrick JR]

Mavrick, I'm sorry you might not be pleased with my words, but hear this important message.

Did you write this with the Love of Christ? If you did, that's good. I won't get mad if you did. But if you wrote them to slap me up side the head, then I'm gonna get p/o'd.

If you enjoy it still, and you wish to do it again, then you have not really repented. If you are still enslaved in sin, then the work of Christ has not been done in you yet.

I'm not doing it any more. I did it one time, and that was enough for now. Maybe later I will, but then it won't be a sin.

You see, Paul talks, in Romans, about a Christian dying with Christ but rising up in newness of life. Then he continues to explain that once you wish to do the will of your Father and will against sin, it is no longer you sinning but sin sinning in you; therefore, making you blameless.

Yeah, but one thing you didn't mention is that, even after we are saved that we still can be tempted to sin. It's giving into that tempting thought that is sin.

And please please please don't jump to the conclusion that I or Paul am saying it is OK to sin, Paul addresses specifically that he isn't in Romans.

Well, yeah, I know that!

Romans 6:1 "What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? (2)By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?"

But Romans is not the only book that talks about this. I like James and 2nd Corinthians more.

So my advice to you is to read and diligently study Romans with much prayer...

I read my bible every day. Not just Romans, but all of it. A chapter a day, somtimes two. And praying? Haven't you read 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18?

"16Be joyful always; 17pray continually; 18give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus."

...,and pray to God for a repentant heart so that by the power of Christ you may overcome sin and temptation. I strongly suggest doing this.

I already am. I have repented. If you read my post again, you will see that I said that I know God has fogiven me. How could He do that if I wasn't repentant, truly repentant?

May you find the Lord and please understand that I do not tell you these [seemingly] harsh things to disheart you, but to strengthen you in truth. You cannot serve sin and serve Christ; you cannot have two masters, lest you hate one and love the other as Jesus so taught--you should not enjoy sin; but rather, you should hate sin with a holy anger.

Well, I know you mean well with all this, but I wasn't asking what I should do. I already have taken care of this, and I know that God has forgiven me. Want to know why I put his post up? To make people think about what they do, why they do it. If sin is not forgiven when we enjoy it, than maybe we shouldn't sin.

We shouldn't sin anyhow. Not to put on some kind of show, but because God Loves us, and when we sin it hurts Him. And sinning is kindda like showing God that we don't care if we hurt Him or not, especcally if we know we are going to sin and we do it anyhow. That's why I wrote the post.

John 3:16 "For GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD that He gave His only SON, so that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

God Bless, and thanks.

JR

http://poemsbyjr0.tripod.com​

 

[yajyu]

Hey JR

On all your posts you have "The best friend I've ever had is the one I call Dad." It sound like you and your dad have a killer relastionship, so i was wondering which dad are you talking about? your earthly or heavenly father?

 

[Mounts]

He capitalized D on Dad, so I would imagine he ment God.

Dear JR,

Yes, I wrote my warnings with good intentions. I have to laugh at your approach against me (for I once treated advice this way). Was my advice not biblical, and are we not all human? Never get too careless and self-confident not to take good advice. Rather, learn to remain silent and listen rather than reply:

Well, yeah, I know that!

And questioning remarks like

Haven't you read 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18?

makes one willing to give advice less eager to give it, simply because I suggested that you pray. It was as if you treated me as an idiot having not read the Bible. (This is simply my advice on listening to advice).

Again, I was like you but I found out quickly I don't know it all and neither do you, or anyone at that matter. Never treat anyone willing to offer advice this way in the future, OK? You'll learn so much more when you listen rather than reply with your mouth. (This is advice I, myself, had to gulp down... and it is tough at times).

PS. Another good lesson I've learned just recently is never judge a man's heart so quickly; I wrote it out of love. Does a man give advice for ill-will or to express his concern and care?

 

[Mavrick]

Thanks for clarifying things, Maverick. I don't always catch everything in my reading.

It's Mavrick, no "E"

Common mistake, since Maverick is the correct way to spell it. I spell it withour the "e" on purpose.

God Bless!

Mavrick