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When I grow out leg and armpit hair I feel manly, so is it wrong to shave it?


For your first post on CF this is rather odd. By the way welcome to CF, and enjoy your self!

Now to answer your question. If this was a woman asking this I would say, in some countries this is acceptable. However my bride shaves and she is nice to touch and smell. I think men shaving their arm pits is fine, as hair does add to smell, so instead of having a sticky arm pit with sticky DO, maybe shaving is good. But you would have to hog tie me to get my legs shaved, that is strictly a woman's thing!

But this was a really stupid thing to ask.
 
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I'm going to answer a question WITH a question.

Why would shaving ever be a sin in the first place? I don't understand...
Under the Mosaic Law it was a sin because the Israelites had entered a covenant with God in which they promised to abide by everything that God commanded. So if he commanded that they should not shave and they did-that would have been disobedience or a breach of the Covenant and therefor a sin.


The Book of Deuteronomy

16 Today the Lord your God is commanding you to keep these statutes and ordinances, something you must do with all your heart and being. 17 Today you have declared the Lord to be your God, and that you will walk in his ways, keep his statutes, commandments, ordinances, and obey him. 18 And today the Lord has declared you to be his special people (as he already promised you) so that you may keep all his commandments, (Deuteronomy 26:16-18,).
 
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Growing up in the 50s and 60s, most churches taught it was a sin to have any facial hair. Or hair on top of your head longer than about 2".

why, for pete's sake? how is deforming nature 'moral'?

this stuff never stops fascinating and appalling me :D
 
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Under the Mosaic Law it was a sin because the Israelites had entered a covenant with God in which they promised to abide by everything that God commanded. So if he commanded that they should not shave and they did-that would have been disobedience or a breach of the Covenant and therefor a sin.

He designed us with hair. Isn't that enough?
 
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For your first post on CF this is rather odd. By the way welcome to CF, and enjoy your self!

Now to answer your question. If this was a woman asking this I would say, in some countries this is acceptable. However my bride shaves and she is nice to touch and smell. I think men shaving their arm pits is fine, as hair does add to smell, so instead of having a sticky arm pit with sticky DO, maybe shaving is good. But you would have to hog tie me to get my legs shaved, that is strictly a woman's thing!

But this was a really stupid thing to ask.

Wow, friendly to the new folk much?

Meantime, it's a really good question, and the sort of thing not asked nearly enough. If no one ever stops to think through these little daily actions, it can add up to a lifetime of 'sin'. While I'm not a believer, and use the word sin out of regard for the context, if we corrupt nature for reasons of vanity, then we are on a bad path - gods or no gods. Sometimes we need these incisive points made.
 
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He designed us with hair. Isn't that enough?
If you were a gentile it was enough.
There were also Nazarites who were under special vows of conduct like Samson.


THE VOW OF THE NAZIRITE
"Yahweh spoke to Moses and said, 'Speak to the Israelites and say: If a man or a woman wishes to make a vow, the Nazirite vow, to vow himself to Yahweh, he will abstain from wine and fermented liquor, he will not drink vinegar derived from one or the other, he will not drink grape juice or eat grapes, be they fresh or dried. For the duration of his vow he will eat nothing that comes from the vine, not even juice of unripe grapes or skins of grapes. As long as he is bond by his vow, no razor will touch his head; until the time for which he has vowed himself to Yahweh, he will not go near a corpse, he will not make himself unclean for his father or his mother, or his brother or his sister, should they die, since on his head he carries his vow to his God. Throughout the whole of his vow he is a person consecrated to Yahweh."Numbers 6:1- 8
http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/documents/The Nazirite Vow.htm
 
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I was under the impression that god designed all of us - not just a couple of tribes in the middle east. Am I mistaken?

Try Googing it! There is loads of neat info on the subject.
 
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True, we are all designed by the creator. However, as soon as mankind experienced a fall from perfection he set a plan in motion to reconcile us to himself so that we would finally regain what we had lost. The plan involved a seed, a person who would pay a ransom to deliver from bondage to sin and death and make the eternal life that Adam had lost for us possible.

The first promise of that seed is found in Genesis 3: 15.
That liberator would arrive in the far future at a time chosen by God,
He would arrive via a certain chosen line of humans.
Noah was in that line, Shem, Terah, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Judah, Jesse, David until during the first century CE Jesus appeared.

During all that time God had used a certain group of humans descended from Shem as an example of mankind's futility in striving to attain salvation via works-that we were still sinners in need of the foretold redeemer mentioned in Genesis 3:15. For that purpose he established an agreement or covenant with them. It brought blessings but along with the blessings a very heavy responsibility to maintain integrity. Because they were still sinners they could NOT perfectly abide by the covenant as specified. So a need to offer animal sacrifices for sin as prophetically symbolic or ritual payment for sin was provided.

In the book of Hebrews Paul explains how god used Israel to provide prophetic symbols that foreshadowed the realities that he had planned for mankind. The high priest foreshadows Jesus, the most Holy of the Tabernacle of temple symbolized heaven, the blood sprinkled on the Ark of the Covenant signified the blood which Jesus would offer on our behave in order to establish a new relationship with all mankind.

So his special attention in reference to Israel was a means for all mankind to attain a blessing. That is why Abraham was told by means of his seed all the nations of the Earth would bless themselves. That is why he reprimanded Peter for striving to prevent the Gentiles from availing themselves of his provision for salvation.

Cool story, Bro, as the kids say.

But what does it have to do with shaving? All of us were designed with hair - regardless of various tribal mores on hair management.
 
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When I grow out leg and armpit hair I feel manly, so is it wrong to shave it?
The basic assumption you're going on is that you 'feel manly' when you grow out your body hair, yet also feel that it is must be a sin to shave because (I'm assuming you also feel) that would be vanity or something. It's as if you are going under the impression that you think God wants you to look and feel miserable (i.e. the denim jumper syndrome). You first need to understand that your body image issues of 'feeling manly' with your natural body hair are cultural beauty standards that you've internalized. The question should be if you're willing to buck the modern cultural trend and go au natural or capitulate to the standards (according to your preference and for no other reasons)? I would also ask you where the scriptures talk about women doing either? It's a non-issue, as neglecting to do so doesn't imply a lack of vanity nor does doing so imply that you are.
 
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The question should be if you're willing to buck the modern cultural trend and go au natural or capitulate to the standards .

This is the more important question, I agree.

I would hope that some young women in places which have standardised a perverted natural female form (via hairlessness etc) have the moxie to buck the trend and break down these 'standards'.

Again though, it's not about whether you shave, it's about not minding either way. It becomes a problem, both for the OP and society in general, when the natural female is seen as an unpleasant aberration. Adults ought to be as comfortable with body hair as they are with hairlessness.
 
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