Is sex wrong?

[Flatscan82]

"I looking for deeper meaning, something that reqiures people to think and have knowledge about bible history, and are able to compare it to now." Isn't it more honest you want to believe that it's not true? Take for example some of these responces over what Jesus said.. "I agree; see the definition of adultery." Jesus said if you look with lust you commit adultry of the heart. Matthew 5:28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. "Paul also says in the bible that it is better to remain a virgin than to get married. if we all follow paul chirstianty would die out in 20-30 years and the world would be nothing but pagens, how then does God plan for jesus work out then?" Paul said "and he stated it as a such" it was his suggestion for those in a minstery who wanted to devote their time completely to God, it would be eaiser to not be married, but he did also say there was no law against it. You might try reading the scriptures yourself to get the whole text. Dan~~~>knows no one will justify sin before God (self included)

something tells me i am a little closer to the spirture than you are.

 

[dinonum]

So have sex, but don't get married, that way it can not be considered "pre-marital".

How is that? If it is before you are married to that person, whether or not you plan on it, it is pre-marital.

 

[bunnysfriend]

How is that? If it is before you are married to that person, whether or not you plan on it, it is pre-marital.

hu?? pre-marital means before marriage, if there is no marriage to be had then there is nothing to be 'pre' of.

 

[dinonum]

hu?? pre-marital means before marriage, if there is no marriage to be had then there is nothing to be 'pre' of.

There is always a marriage to be had though, how do you know 100% that the person your having sex with isn't someone you'll be married to? You don't, no matter how much you tell yourself that you wouldn't.

 

[bunnysfriend]

There is always a marriage to be had though, how do you know 100% that the person your having sex with isn't someone you'll be married to? You don't, no matter how much you tell yourself that you wouldn't.

there are many people in the world who dont believe in marriage, many couples who have stayed together their whole lives and have children and have never got married.

 

[dinonum]

there are many people in the world who dont believe in marriage, many couples who have stayed together their whole lives and have children and have never got married.

Well your still not married, so it is before any marriage. Just because something doesn't exist in our minds doesn't mean it isn't an option in the future.

 

[bunnysfriend]

"Well your still not married, so it is before any marriage"
not if you know for sure its never going to happen.
"Just because something doesn't exist in our minds doesn't mean it isn't an option in the future."
it wont be an option if youve decided your never going to do it. ok some people may cange their minds, but some wont.

 

[Caylin]

Well your still not married, so it is before any marriage. Just because something doesn't exist in our minds doesn't mean it isn't an option in the future.

What if you can't get married?

 

[Mailman Dan]

Does anyone believe that scripture on the topic is just outdated now? If so, what changed it? Dan~~~>not sure what changed the clear teachings

 

[dinonum]

Does anyone believe that scripture on the topic is just outdated now? If so, what changed it? Dan~~~>not sure what changed the clear teachings

Is Jesus outdated? Is God's love outdated?

 

[Flatscan82]

What if you can't get married?

then time for a sexy party!!!!

 

[WolfBitnGodSmittn]

then time for a sexy party!!!!

scripturally what was marriage in the days of Abraham Isaac and Jacob?

 

[Flatscan82]

Does anyone believe that scripture on the topic is just outdated now? If so, what changed it? Dan~~~>not sure what changed the clear teachings

in the US their are around 30,000 demononations, each with a diffrent view on the bible. if the bible can make 30,000 demonations, I had a point i was going to make but then i lost my train of thought...

 

[Flatscan82]

scripturally what was marriage in the days of Abraham Isaac and Jacob?

are you asking, or trying to lead to a point

 

[CSMR]

Because isn’t the act of having sex a sign of love between you and your partner.

No it is a sign of hatred, of your "lover", of yourself and of God, to draw yourself and her into sexual sin.

 

[Brennin]

No it is a sign of hatred, of your "lover", of yourself and of God, to draw yourself and her into sexual sin.

I disagree.

 

[mark53]

No it is a sign of hatred, of your "lover", of yourself and of God, to draw yourself and her into sexual sin.

Where in the Bible do you find a passage that says this?
The opposite, in fact, can be seen in the Song of Solomon in the OT.

 

[CSMR]

The problem I have with the actual concept of "pre-marital sex" is that the act of sexuality is meant to marry two people together. In other words, from a linguistic angle, it makes more sense to say that there is sex that is marital (that is, it brings two people closer together) and sex that is non-marital (that is, it actually drives two people further apart).

I think we need to get beyond surface level definitions and cultural ideas on this topic and actually see the deeper issues. I cannot use the outer "appearance" of a Westernized legal concept of so-called "marriage" to condemn or justify anyone's behaviour. Furthermore, since the only thing that really constitutes "marriage" consists of the attitudes, beliefs and vows of two people between each other, I actually don't have any means of condemning or justifying anyone for that matter.

I include in this my own country where all one has to really do is watch an afternoon talk show about paternity testing to find out just how out of control it really is - and how much pain and hurt is really being caused to others. But I also include in this all of the ways that a legalistic view of "wedding" can be the polar opposite of the same problem.

Excellent! Marriage certainly shouldn't be understood as the state of having been through a ceremony, which is what society at large has reduced it to. Marriage is a union between two people, of which sex is a part, and we should understand it in this way rather than as a formality.
But it is better to say that sex is marital if it is within a marriage than to say that it is marital if it brings people closer together. A person who commits adultery is brought closer to his lover but that is not marital.
And what is a marriage? It is more than sex and more than closeness. It has many aspects - love, support in various ways, family - and these should not be divorced from sex. That is the meaning of the biblical teaching against extra-marital sex.
That said, a ceremony should be there because it is the recognition by both husband and wife of the marriage, and also because it calls on society and family to recognise and support it - though that hardly happens these days.

 

[CSMR]

I disagree.

Gay sex? Yes.

Consensual hetero sex? No.

Romans 1:2-27 (Just covering myself.)

The Bible tells us:
-that sex apart from marriage should result in marriage, so should initiate marriage. Deuteronomy 22, Leviticus, gospels (Jesus on "two shall become one flesh" implying that they should not separate).
-Even then this is not proper: "he hath humbled her"
-"Sex before marriage" - some other marriage that is - punishable by death: Deuteronomy 22
"she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the harlot in her father's house"

-Paul tells us that for every man to have a wife and every woman a husband will help "to avoid fornication". (1 Cor 7).
-He gives an example of "Consensual hetero sex" in the previous chapter:

Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make [them] the members of an harlot? God forbid.
What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

 

[WolfBitnGodSmittn]

I disagree.

marriage isnt a ceremony

marriage isnt a piece of paper


When Isaac first saw his wife he took her to his tent and made love to her

For them marriage was more than sex... though sex sees to have been a very happy part of their lives...

Marriage was a commitment and Rebecca and Jacob were commited to one another to the death

Dont you think we lose some of this in todays society?

isnt sex simply fleeting shallow gratification without this?