Is sex wrong?

[Maynard Keenan]

when i say the inspired i mean it was inspired by God so that it says exactly what He wants it to. and God does use words- he often spoke to people in words, through angels.

the ten commandments were delivered to Moses on top of mount sinai on two stone tablets, direct from God. hence they were penned by God, not man.

Why, after Moses breaks the first set of commandments, does God replace them with a set that is different from the first?

 

[DrFate]

God is immortal and unchanging. If something was wrong in the OT it is still wrong today. God does not change his mind about what constitutes sin.

Christianity is laying ourselves at God's command. We should submit to Him in everything. Through Jesus He has given us an opportunity to have eternal life and happiness, and yet "Christians" who supposedly believe this will still try to change the parts of the Bible that they dislike. Some elements of following Jesus will always be a struggle, I no I have serious trouble obeying the sexual regulations laid down by God, but they are a small price to pay for the comfort He grants me daily and any strife I go through pales into insignificance next to the paradise I will be granted by grace when I die.

What is so tough about sex in Levitcus? I have no problem with the sexual prohibitions stated there.

 

[DrFate]

Some may view this a risqué topic so be forewarned

I have been debating the question of late. I know what the bible says, that sex outside marriage is fornication, and thus wrong.

However when you love someone and are in a committed relationship (just serious dating, no engagements) is it then still a sin?
Because isn’t the act of having sex a sign of love between you and your partner.

Also one thing to consider is that women were property back in the bible times. And so the value of a virgin was really high. I know that to the bible it is fornication. But to me “fornication” is looking at pornography, having one night stands, viewing woman as objects instead of children of god, and allowing sex to rule your life instead of God.

Also sex back in the bible days was very risky (which is apart of the reasons I think that it said to abstain from it.) but today we have birth control, and condoms. Had we had those items back in the bible times would the people of that time view sex differently? Also in “Acts” God said to peter “do not call what I have created profane” God created sex. It was not a human creation. Sex is pleasurable, and why would God create some thing that feels good to be evil. I know some may say that sex is only for making babies. Which I will have to agree, however then again sex is one of the best feelings a person can have, and how can a feeling so good be a sin. When I have having sex with my GF I do not feel that it is a sin, it is an act of love I share with her…..I am wrong?

I think Sex before marriage is prohibited in the OT.

 

[acius]

I have a question for those taking the stance that what was wrong was always wrong and that god is unchanging. Wouldn't that stance make polygamy perfectly acceptable? Why do we say that one stands firm the test of time and the other doesn't?

And for those who say that god never changes his mind and leviticus is still valid today, do you think it's moral and acceptable to sell your daughter into slavery?

Mostly i want to know if there is a piece of NT scripture that mandates that we stop polygamy, and if that is the case, how is that not god changing the rules?

 

[TheNewAge]

I don't think sex is immoral (a sin?) at all. 'Course, I try to have it as often as possible... with my girlfriend only.
I have never been able to understand mainstream Christianity's demonization of bodily pleasures.
All the biological processes in nature seem to involve one organism digesting another, or the predators feeding on the slowest or weakest, or sucking nutrients from another organism, or generally the destruction of one organism to feed another. Only one process results in the mutual physical pleasure and gratification of both organisms involved, and that is the one the Church has for many centuries chosen to demonize and attach irrational taboos to. We have to have a permit from some deity to engage in a very pleasurable and gratifying physical act.
In fact, the modern depiction of Satan, the architect of all that is corrupt and evil, is the personage used to symbolize male fertility in many pagan religions that (do)did engage in sexual activities.
Why is this?

 

[tgg]

Some may view this a risqué topic so be forewarned

I have been debating the question of late. I know what the bible says, that sex outside marriage is fornication, and thus wrong.

This is where yourself and countless other church traditionalists have got it well wrong.

http://www.libchrist.com/bible/premaritalsex.html

However when you love someone and are in a committed relationship (just serious dating, no engagements) is it then still a sin?

Definitely not! Mind you, in Biblical times boys and girls were married by the ages of 12 and 13 and arranged by their families, so dating was virtually non-existent.

Because isn’t the act of having sex a sign of love between you and your partner.

Or partners if you are polygamous/polyamourous.
A definite yes!

Also one thing to consider is that women were property back in the bible times. And so the value of a virgin was really high. I know that to the bible it is fornication. But to me “fornication” is looking at pornography, having one night stands, viewing woman as objects instead of children of god, and allowing sex to rule your life instead of God.

Read again what the Bible really says about what 'fornication' is, instead of what you personally think.

Sex is pleasurable, and why would God create some thing that feels good to be evil. I know some may say that sex is only for making babies.

Agreed. As a Liberated Christian and a practising nudist, I think that the church is definitely wrong with its teaching that sex is evil, and people who think that sex is only for making babies seriously need to get their heads read.

Which I will have to agree, however then again sex is one of the best feelings a person can have, and how can a feeling so good be a sin. When I have having sex with my GF I do not feel that it is a sin, it is an act of love I share with her…..I am wrong?

No, I think you are quite right. Don't listen to what other people say about your love life. Be glad that you have got a wonderful woman to share that part of yourself with.

 

[DrFate]

I don't think sex is immoral (a sin?) at all. 'Course, I try to have it as often as possible... with my girlfriend only.
I have never been able to understand mainstream Christianity's demonization of bodily pleasures.
All the biological processes in nature seem to involve one organism digesting another, or the predators feeding on the slowest or weakest, or sucking nutrients from another organism, or generally the destruction of one organism to feed another. Only one process results in the mutual physical pleasure and gratification of both organisms involved, and that is the one the Church has for many centuries chosen to demonize and attach irrational taboos to. We have to have a permit from some deity to engage in a very pleasurable and gratifying physical act.
In fact, the modern depiction of Satan, the architect of all that is corrupt and evil, is the personage used to symbolize male fertility in many pagan religions that (do)did engage in sexual activities.
Why is this?

I suspect it comes from the sexually disfunctional nature of some of the ECF.

 

[epyon]

Sex is the creation of God.

 

[Im_A]

Some may view this a risqué topic so be forewarned

I have been debating the question of late. I know what the bible says, that sex outside marriage is fornication, and thus wrong.

However when you love someone and are in a committed relationship (just serious dating, no engagements) is it then still a sin?
Because isn’t the act of having sex a sign of love between you and your partner.

Also one thing to consider is that women were property back in the bible times. And so the value of a virgin was really high. I know that to the bible it is fornication. But to me “fornication” is looking at pornography, having one night stands, viewing woman as objects instead of children of god, and allowing sex to rule your life instead of God.

Also sex back in the bible days was very risky (which is apart of the reasons I think that it said to abstain from it.) but today we have birth control, and condoms. Had we had those items back in the bible times would the people of that time view sex differently? Also in “Acts” God said to peter “do not call what I have created profane” God created sex. It was not a human creation. Sex is pleasurable, and why would God create some thing that feels good to be evil. I know some may say that sex is only for making babies. Which I will have to agree, however then again sex is one of the best feelings a person can have, and how can a feeling so good be a sin. When I have having sex with my GF I do not feel that it is a sin, it is an act of love I share with her…..I am wrong?

i am not one to make judgements on the way you live your life.

all i do know is sex puts responsibilities and obligations on the heads of those that partake in it. to fail at any of it is sin and fail i am meaning breaking up with the person. why else would sexual immortality be condemned in the scriptures. i'm not convinced that is saying that sex before marriage is wrong because scriptures give a way out of marriage so why would one's sexual moralitty be based into an institution that isn't protected from sin and failure?

but sexual immorality is condemned. so i figure, if one is going to have sex, they better not make any pathetic exscuses of breaking it off and put themselves into a situationn that the immorality of making more tally marks of who's been in their bed and if they do, i hope they get on their knees and pray for repentance. not for the sake of a post-mortem hell-fire and brimestone type of world but because the pain that produces is really deep and can ruin people's lives and everything seems to fall under causality or so it seems.

i hope the best for you and your g/f. may God bless you two!

 

[hairettic]

I agree with a previous poster....not sure who....too far back to look. The ceremony that people use to signify marriage in this age, is not God breathed or inspired. It is a cultural tradition. So marriage and sex before marriage is a funny topic.
I would say it is definitely unhealthy to make sex as casual as a handshake. But in expression of love by both parties....have fun!

 

[gratis]

Sex is only "wrong" if it is being abused and used as casually as a handshake. Not good. And, even then it is not good because of the risk of STDs, surprise pregnancy and emotional damage.

But between two consenting adults that care deeply for one another (regardless of "marriage") it is just fine, and to be enjoyed thoroughly.

 

[FLANDIDLYANDERS]

Agreed. Physical intimacy is merely a reflection of emotional, intellectual and spiritual intimacy.

If any of these aspects overplays the other, it is unhealthy.

 

[Tiberius]

From what I have heard, the pagan religions that were around before Christianity used sex as a form of worship. When the Christianity started coming to power, they wanted people to come to church. After all, if people weren't coming to church, the Church wouldn't have power over them. So, they claimed that sex was wrong in an effort to stop people from using sex as worship, and now that people couldn't worship that way, they had to come to church to worship. Once they were in chruch, the leaders of the Church could control what people believed more easily.

The claim that sex is wrong is just a way of getting people to go to church, in order to ensure the Church's power over the people.

And why did they consider sex a form of worship? Apart from the fact that it brings two people as close together as they can be (emotionally, of course, if they are in love), it is also the creation of new life - which is the most sacred act of all.

 

[Siderite]

Song of Soloman

A very interesting read.

 

[B®ent]

I am wrong?

Yes, you are dread wrong, but I suspect you've already made up your mind anyway, so there's no point in attempting to persuade you otherwise. I am correct?

 

[Red530]

Sex is sacred, ONLY when it is used as a sign of love and committment.

 

[The Julikenz]

Yes, you are dread wrong, but I suspect you've already made up your mind anyway, so there's no point in attempting to persuade you otherwise. I am correct?

No, you are not correct (that he is wrong), but I suspect you have already made your mind up anyway so there is no point attempting to persuade you otherwise.

See how this works both ways?



P.S. Brent.

 

[Red530]

No it is a sign of hatred, of your "lover", of yourself and of God, to draw yourself and her into sexual sin.

You have just GOT to be kidding me, right? That is pretty foolish for a Christian to say.

If sex was so bad then God wouldn't bless Abraham's descendants.

 

[RealSorceror]

So, whats the general consensus so far? Is sex good or bad?

I personally don't place a lot of moral baggage on sex, although I prefer it be between two people that care about eachother.

 

[Red530]

Thank you, that's what I believe.