Is self pleasuring a sin?

[Marie D]

I've taken classes on "Human Sexuality" in college, and learned that many sexual dysfunctions and orgasmic problems can be cured with masturbation. I just think if you never touch yourself, you will get married and not have a clue how your body works and will have definite problems learning to relax and enjoy sex. According to this class, masturbation is a remedy for these problems, because it makes you comfortable with your body. It makes complete rational sense to me and has benefited myself in many ways. As long as you don't let it control your life, there is no harm in discovering your body. If I hadn't touched myself, I would have never even known I had a vagina opening!!! And since I want to wait until marriage, if I hadn't learned how my body worked or how to give myself pleasure, I can see that it would have presented huge problems... And why would God create the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]-that has no reproductive functions except for pleasure and is on the outside of the vagina---mind you, very conveniently placed to make masturbation tempting. Why is that? It doens't make sense to me. I just don't want to 'never' touch myself and then be all uptight when I get married and derive no pleasure from sex because I never learned to give myself pleasure. How can you 'teach' a guy what 'works' for you, if you don't know yourself?

I don't mean to offend or insult you, but I don't really know where to begin...

First of all, who is teaching this 'human sexuality' class in college? Are they doing it from a religious viewpoint, or any kind of moral perspective? Or are they liberal, secular people who believe in pursuit of selfish pleasure and nothing else?

They're teaching you that sexual disfunctions and orgasmic problems can be 'cured' with m. But they don't seem to be considering that m is itself a sexual disfunction and orgasmic problem as it separates gratification and lust from love and focuses people on the physical pleasure of selfish receiving rather than the spiritual pleasure of unselfish giving.

I'm engaged to be married. I will go into my marriage with no idea of how to give myself an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], or what one feels like. And I'm overjoyed, because I don't want or need to know these things. All I need to know is how to please my future husband, because the greatest pleasure I will ever know in marriage is that I'm making him happy.

As for the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], I'm sure that my lovely man will explore my body and if there are things I enjoy he will focus on those things because he wants to please me too. It will be fun finding out about these things together and I don't want to spoil it by exploring on my own beforehand...

 

[Johnnz]

When an issue is never spelt out clearly in Scripture we all need caution in demanding that 'my view' is the right one. Each person is living out and telling their own story.

Some have a low sex drive, and wonder what all the fuss is about. Others have a very strong sex drive. Both will have different stories of how Christ relates to them and their sex drive.

Some people can accept masturbation for a time and later move beyond it quite healthily. Some people have ongoing issues with it, even when married.

We live in an historical context. For most of history people have matured sexually and got married soon after. Initiation into adulthood was often around 12-14 years for guys. Many women were married from 10 onwards, guys around the time of being recognised as an adult. Modern times have created the adolescent, a temporary state bewteen childhood and adulthood. This has made living wit our sexuality much more long term that it once was.

There is a huge physical and very natural component to sexual arousal. Each day untold millions of creatures engage in sexual activity without any sex manuals or parental instruction. Sex is one of the big drivers within creation.

Put all this together and there will be a complexity of situations and beliefs. Dogmatism and being unnecessarily judgemental is being far too simplistic. What we do need are stories of what Jesus has taught young people about the way they handle their sex drive. And some stories from married people who once masturbated, perhaps several times a day in some cases, who can now review their practise from the perspective of their marriage.

John
NZ

 

[Danielof the Island]

Is it sinful to "self pleasure" if it's entirely void of emotion?

 

[Komplex001]

I'm glad that after 7 years of never knowing if it was a sin, that I just finally stopped after reading this.

 

[RemainFaithful]

Hi,

Just for different point of views from other christian young men and women leaders, I would recommend you to visit YOUTHSPECIALTIES (.com) and search for masturbation and read some of the discussions there. (I was not allowed to post an outside link )

As for me, when I was a 14 I found out about masturbation in the bathroom. I always promised God to stop this act, but failed.
Now, after a lot of give and take with other guys and with research, I do not consider it a sin, as much as it's an outlet. I do it once a week, and this is ok for me. I was able to abstain for 3 weeks, but then again I had nocturnal emissions (wet dreams), which is a lot messier.
Also it would be great to post about the sexual dreams that we have, which is not so much in our hands, or is it?

 

[ascribe2thelord]

When an issue is never spelt out clearly in Scripture we all need caution in demanding that 'my view' is the right one. Each person is living out and telling their own story.

Some have a low sex drive, and wonder what all the fuss is about. Others have a very strong sex drive. Both will have different stories of how Christ relates to them and their sex drive.

Some people can accept masturbation for a time and later move beyond it quite healthily. Some people have ongoing issues with it, even when married.

We live in an historical context. For most of history people have matured sexually and got married soon after. Initiation into adulthood was often around 12-14 years for guys. Many women were married from 10 onwards, guys around the time of being recognised as an adult. Modern times have created the adolescent, a temporary state bewteen childhood and adulthood. This has made living wit our sexuality much more long term that it once was.

There is a huge physical and very natural component to sexual arousal. Each day untold millions of creatures engage in sexual activity without any sex manuals or parental instruction. Sex is one of the big drivers within creation.

Put all this together and there will be a complexity of situations and beliefs. Dogmatism and being unnecessarily judgemental is being far too simplistic. What we do need are stories of what Jesus has taught young people about the way they handle their sex drive. And some stories from married people who once masturbated, perhaps several times a day in some cases, who can now review their practise from the perspective of their marriage.

John
NZ

Part of the problem is that our society really does not give any hope of starting a family. We don't do the whole "arranged marriage" thing anymore ... and I think this is the reason for every single sexual problem we have today. Now, we just have to deal with it.

Sorry, kids.

 

[LovesLife]

Part of the problem is that our society really does not give any hope of starting a family. We don't do the whole "arranged marriage" thing anymore ... and I think this is the reason for every single sexual problem we have today. Now, we just have to deal with it.

Sorry, kids.

Is this an argument for aranged marrage??

 

[Ave Maria]

Yes, masturbation is a very serious sin. You can lose your salvation over it.

 

[Johnnz]

Yes, masturbation is a very serious sin. You can lose your salvation over it.

This kind of dogmatism helps no one, least of all those who are genuinely struggling. Besides, it simply is not true.

John
NZ

 

[Mr.Cheese]

Yes, masturbation is a very serious sin. You can lose your salvation over it.

lol
every teenager on the planet is going to hell then.

 

[ascribe2thelord]

lol
every teenager on the planet is going to hell then.

Well, at least 95% of them.

 

[LovesLife]

Yes, masturbation is a very serious sin. You can lose your salvation over it.

Please supply scripture to suport this OPINION.

19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

I'm saved because of Jesus rightioousness, not my own since:
Ro 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Otherwise I'm lost.

This does not mean I can do anything I want since if I did it would prove I'm not saved, but I'll only go into that if asked.

 

[ascribe2thelord]

Hi,

Just for different point of views from other christian young men and women leaders, I would recommend you to visit YOUTHSPECIALTIES (.com) and search for masturbation and read some of the discussions there. (I was not allowed to post an outside link )

As for me, when I was a 14 I found out about masturbation in the bathroom. I always promised God to stop this act, but failed.
Now, after a lot of give and take with other guys and with research, I do not consider it a sin, as much as it's an outlet. I do it once a week, and this is ok for me. I was able to abstain for 3 weeks, but then again I had nocturnal emissions (wet dreams), which is a lot messier.
Also it would be great to post about the sexual dreams that we have, which is not so much in our hands, or is it?

Nah, I think it's best we keep this out of the gutter. The rules state this is a PG site and no sexually explicit material is allowed.

 

[ascribe2thelord]

I've taken classes on "Human Sexuality" in college, and learned that many sexual dysfunctions and orgasmic problems can be cured with masturbation. I just think if you never touch yourself, you will get married and not have a clue how your body works and will have definite problems learning to relax and enjoy sex. According to this class, masturbation is a remedy for these problems, because it makes you comfortable with your body. It makes complete rational sense to me and has benefited myself in many ways. As long as you don't let it control your life, there is no harm in discovering your body. ... (follows with explicit discussion)

Melvaughn, ... I know you probably have honorable intentions for writing this post but for the future, please keep all discussion of sexual organs and such to a minimum. We're supposed to be helping people with sexual struggles, not tempting their minds ... look. A lot of young boys know what all these things are that you're talking about, and it's going to create images in their mind. A lot of them have already seen pornography, and some might already be obsessed with it. They already have huge guilt complexes. Effectively what your post might do is push away those whose minds are filled with learned paranoia against secular college professors and what they teach.

Only causing them to enlarge their guilt complexes even more. This is the problem ... and personally I think "masturbation" should not be discussed between two people of opposite sexes, unless of course they are married to one another, or are mature enough for their minds not to lead them astray over it.

Talking with the opposite sex about autoeroticism, and discussing sexual organs and "touching yourself" ... It's kind of like playing with a 9mm handgun in the dark, after spinning yourself dizzy. You might hit the wrong person with the wrong words and unintentionally throw a curveball into their spiritual life.

Hopefully I am understood about this?

 

[Marie D]

lol
every teenager on the planet is going to hell then.

No way! First, not every teenager abuses themselves (I haven't, nor will I). Second, while a person can lose salvation through lust and sinful sexual activities, that only happens if they don't truly repent and find God's love and forgiveness.

My fiance *has* sinned in this way, three times , but he is so desperately sorry for what he did that I genuinely believe his salvation has not been jeopardised.

 

[swordsman]

lol
every teenager on the planet is going to hell then.

Not every teenager masturbates.

 

[Liger14]

Masturbation isnt a sin.You lot are all wasting your time tormenting yourselves about this.

 

[melvaughn]

Masturbation isnt a sin.You lot are all wasting your time tormenting yourselves about this.

I agree. You can't take vague passages from the bible, that have many different interpretations and then feel all this guilt that is most likely man-made anyway. I think people are taking too much of a legalistic view to Christianity. God didn't intend for people to be binded down by rules. Rather than talk about 'what's right and what's wronge', christianity should center around developing a personal relationship with God, not obsessed with 'leading a good life'...I don't believe that's what christianity is about. Otherwise, I'd be a Jehova's witness.

As for Masturbation, people are viewing only the negative side..as in getting addicted to Porn, or objectifying women. But If masturbation is wronge, how come there are so many health benefits from masturbation?? For example:

Relieves menstual Cramps
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Helps for insomnia (i.e. when a person is having trouble falling asleep)
[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Stimulates the immune system to help build up resistance to common infections.
[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Releases mood elevating hormones[/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Reduces embarrassing spontaneous erections for teen males
[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Reduces the number of unwanted wet dreams for young men[/font]
Helps you become a better lover from knowing what you like and
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You won’t catch an STD from yourself
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Makes many people calmer in general -- and they tend to smile more [/font][/font]
Helps you fall asleep.
Promotes realease of the brain's opioid-like neurotransmitters (endorphines), which cause feelings of physical and mental wellbeing
Reduces stress
Enhances Self-esteem

These were all found from scientific studies and the release of an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. (I'm minoring in Psych)

I mean, is giving yourself a breast examination a sin? Of course not, and masturbation is no different. I think it's more harmful to supress all thoughts of sex and fantasy and walk around in guilt. This will lead to adverse effects- like porn) Sex should be celebrated. The reason why people think about sex is because God created it, therefore It's instintually apart of people's cognitive thought processes. The average Male thinks about sex every 3 mins.. and this is normal. God gave men an extremely high sex drive. I say, touch as a way of explorating your body. This way you won't enter a marraige repressed and thinking sex is bad. You wouldn't throw someone into a car and expect them to know how to drive without learning about the controls would you? Many women enter marriage with orgasmic problems and have to seek councilling, because they weren't able to relax and be comfortable with their body.
As long as you don't let masturbation control you/ or you view porn or objectify women in a degrading way, masturbation as becoming intune with your body, is healthy. (Otherwize, God wouldn't have given men such a high sex drive, and he wouldn't have given women a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]- whose soul function is for pleasure)
I'm not trying to tempt people, I'm just trying to give a more positve healthy view since some of the other posts sound rather negative/depressing and kind of uninformed.

 

[swordsman]

melvaughn... tell me:

What if someone is ADDICTED to masturbation?

P.S - Most of the health benefits you put down is absolute baloney...sorry.

 

[melvaughn]

melvaughn... tell me:

What if someone is ADDICTED to masturbation?

P.S - Most of the health benefits you put down is absolute baloney...sorry.

If people have the power to supress all thoughts of sex and abstain from masturbation for months at a time, masturbating once in a while will not now doom you. Masturbation won't take away your will-power...in fact, it will probably make it stronger.
As for the health benefits..these are 100% true. I've read correlational studies on them. They definetly work for me...espeicailly the mentrual cramp one-since it relaxes you're stomach muscles. Married couples who have sex on a regular basis, are in fact, healthier. The release of an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] helps fight diseases, builds the immune system, makes you live longer, even improves your looks- gives you a 'glow'.


I'll post 'evidence' for the benefits of the '[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]' later. (I mean, talk to any doctor, they will tell you the same thing, I'm telling you)