Is Scripture MISSING Dogmas? (2)

[CaliforniaJosiah]

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[MoreCoffee]

The table of contents is an important dogma, and it is not included in holy scripture.

 

[Souldier]

The table of contents is an important dogma, and it is not included in holy scripture.

That makes no sense.

This makes sense.


John 14 New King James Version (NKJV)

The Way, the Truth, and the Life

14 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many mansions;[a] if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.”

5 Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”

6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

The Father Revealed

7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”

8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”

9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

The Answered Prayer
12 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. 13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask[c] anything in My name, I will do it.

Jesus Promises Another Helper
15 “If you love Me, keep[d] My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Indwelling of the Father and the Son
19 “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?”

23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.

The Gift of His Peace
25 “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28 You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said,[e] ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.

29 “And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe. 30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me. 31 But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave Me commandment, so I do. Arise, let us go from here.

 

[Souldier]

Know what is more important than dogma that isn't found in the bible? Answer: Things that are found in the scripture.

The Words of Christ and His apostles are spiritual. THey teach us good things and guide us from day to day. The spirit guides us in those things and helps us. That is the truth and its a miraculous blessing. Instead of worrying about having all the answers, all we need to do is follow the ones we have been given. Its a journey and we seek the kingdom. Seek and you will find. That's the answer. We wont find it in another Church, we wont find it in books of theology. We find it by searching the scriptures and meditating on them. God promised to teach us all things if we would just keep his commands that he gave through his apostles and Himself. Is that not a promise? Why do we need anything else but Christs words and his promise?

 

[Souldier]

Ask and you will receive. Seek and you will find. Not just useless words but they are true. Surely Christ meant that we ask for something and seek after something. I have asked and i did seek, and i still do. I have found and i did receive and i still will. Look at me, im a walking miracle. God was faithful. He helped me find what i was seeking and he gave me what i asked for. I just wanted to know how to follow him. That's all. I am not perfect but im not lost either. I have a teacher within. That's the promise that he gave.

Things are not always easy but that's the way the world is anyway, but suffering without the Lord is far more painful and hopeless than if we suffer with him. Seeking the kingdom of God is a wonderful Journey. Praise the Lord.

 

[bbbbbbb]

The table of contents is an important dogma, and it is not included in holy scripture.

And it is one, among many dogmas, that you denomination has added to the Bible. Would that all such dogmas were as innocuous as a ToC!

 

[MoreCoffee]

And it is one, among many dogmas, that you denomination has added to the Bible. Would that all such dogmas were as innocuous as a ToC!

I am confident that your bible has a table of contents. Does that mean you accept Catholic extra-biblical dogma?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Know what is more important than dogma that isn't found in the bible? Answer: Things that are found in the scripture.

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One cannot know what ought to be in a bible without knowing what its contents ought to be. Before you can have a bible the table of contents has to be known to the publisher.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Bump.

Which dogmas do you allege are not in holy scripture?

I've listed one, viz, The table of contents is important dogma, and it is not included in holy scripture. Do you have another?

 

[Souldier]

One cannot know what ought to be in a bible without knowing what its contents ought to be. Before you can have a bible the table of contents has to be known to the publisher.

What matters is getting into those scriptures and meditating on them. Im sure you agree.

 

[MoreCoffee]

What matters is getting into those scriptures and meditating on them. Im sure you agree.

First comes the decision about what books are holy scripture after that comes personal reading and contemplation of the contents of holy scripture.

 

[fhansen]

Know what is more important than dogma that isn't found in the bible? Answer: Things that are found in the scripture.

The Words of Christ and His apostles are spiritual. THey teach us good things and guide us from day to day. The spirit guides us in those things and helps us. That is the truth and its a miraculous blessing. Instead of worrying about having all the answers, all we need to do is follow the ones we have been given. Its a journey and we seek the kingdom. Seek and you will find. That's the answer. We wont find it in another Church, we wont find it in books of theology. We find it by searching the scriptures and meditating on them. God promised to teach us all things if we would just keep his commands that he gave through his apostles and Himself. Is that not a promise? Why do we need anything else but Christs words and his promise?

Ok, so, according to your interpretation, did Jesus instruct that we're to be baptized with water in order to be saved or not?

 

[Souldier]

First comes the decision about what books are holy scripture after that comes personal reading and contemplation of the contents of holy scripture.

OK, the 66 books are holy scripture, everything else is debatable. Why debate when we can spend that time searching, discussing and meditating on said scriptures?

 

[Souldier]

Ok, so, according to your interpretation, did Jesus instruct that we're to be baptized with water in order to be saved or not?

Yes he did instruct baptism, and also that we should eat his flesh and drink his blood, be born again, drink the living waters, eat bread from heaven, get baptized with fire (Johns words) and follow the indwelling spirit of truth and the spirit teacher.

 

[Souldier]

And we are washed by the word and cleansed by the word spoken

 

[Souldier]

And we walk by faith not sight because our life is hidden in Christ. We are dead and raised and healed by His stripes.

 

[Souldier]

Washed in the blood too, i forgot that one.

 

[fhansen]

Yes he did instruct baptism, and also that we should eat his flesh and drink his blood, be born again, drink the living waters, eat bread from heaven, get baptized with fire (Johns words) and follow the indwelling spirit of truth and the spirit teacher.

So the bread and wine are really Christs body and blood which we must eat to have eternal life and we must be baptized by water in order to be saved? And, since these are matters concerning salvation, you would disagree with those who interpret these in a strictly symbolic fashion?

 

[Souldier]

So the bread and wine are really Christs body and blood which we must eat to have eternal life and we must be baptized by water in order to be saved? And, since these are matters concerning salvation, you would disagree with those who interpret these in a strictly symbolic fashion?

What did Christ say? His words are spirit. Whats that mean? Whats it mean to walk by faith not sight?

 

[Souldier]

John 6:52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”

63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.