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I'm not sure you understood what I meant. I'm saying that under the scientific materialists view there is only one interpretation which is that everything works according to the naturalistic and material view.Well if I knew that, then I'd have the understanding, no?
I don't think anyone can rule anything out there yet(?) More work needed!
That has no impact on doing the science, so its ignorable.I'm not sure you understood what I meant. I'm saying that under the scientific materialists view there is only one interpretation which is that everything works according to the naturalistic and material view.
As I suggested, there's an implicit 'ought' - humans 'ought' to have maximum(?) wellbeing and flourishing. It may seem obvious and common sense, but it's a moral value judgement, not a scientific principle. The rest is, presumably, the equally obvious idea that science can inform us on the most effective or efficient ways to achieve that goal.From what I understand he uses human wellbeing and flourishing as the basis for measuring morality. He assumes human wellbeing as the basis and science is the measuring stick to establish moral right and wrong.
That applies to any and all observations, quantum or otherwise. That's what perception does. It's surprising how often our perception of reality turns out to be mistaken.But some interpret disturbing the quantum state as the observer determining what we percieve as reality.
QM interpretations are not interpretations of reality, they're conceptual interpretations of the QM formalism that may be useful models; they all fit the data, so it's hard to choose between them. The philosophical issues concerning reality have always been around. Einsteinian relativity raises similar philosophical considerations. Reality is just a convenient abstraction to encapsulate what accounts for the patterns in the results of our observations.Yes that’s what I am saying that more so than most other scientific findings the results of quantum experiments brings in philosophy more than ever because there is more than one way to interpret reality and for some this means that reality may not be as the classical interpretation claims.
In QM an 'observer' is any system that makes a quantum measurement. It's a hang-over from early QM thought experiments in the days when measurement apparatus and people were treated as classical objects.some say the observer is a person so this has led to a number of ideas to explain what is happeniong that involve the mind and consciousness as creating reality.
This is completely wrong. The holographic principle comes from quantum gravity in String Theory and has become more widely known through its realisation in the AdS/CFT correspondence and its application to the black hole information paradox.This has also led to other ideas like hologram worlds and the multiverse depending on which interpretation you take. But primarily these are based on reality being determined by the observer and not being a set state as classical science has said.
Sure, but scientific ideas and hypotheses are not philosophy. Certainly, the fundamental and counterintuitive nature of QM has generated a resurgence in philosophical questions about reality and consciousness, but that's no surprise. People love to try and put humans or consciousness at the centre of the universe or reality, but the more we discover the more we find that we are just one small part of the world, and the reality we're central to and can construct and change with our consciousness alone is in our heads.The number of ideas and hypothesis that seem to step beyond the classical measurements of physics that have been generated by quantum physics has increased 10 fold.
No; I explained this before. Scientists don't assume naturalism, they make observations; you can speculate all you like about the supernatural, but if something has a detectable influence on the physical world it is, by definition, a physical influence. If the cause of the influence is unknown, it is just an unknown physical influence.I'm meaning that the scientists assume everything has a naturalistic cause so even if a finding did fall outside the natural world i.e. miracles and had an effect on the natural world then I think scientists would try to come up with some naturalistic explanation. That is the default position of most scientists that there cannot be a supernatural cause and yet that is still a philosophical position to take.
I'd go further than that. By 'quantum woo' I mean asinine claims that use the word 'quantum' to give spurious sciencey-sounding authority to nonsense that has nothing to do with QM.That you call it Woo suggests that you know that it is definitely something that cannot happen.
Kind of. Chalmers describes consciousness in terms of a number of easy problems and one hard problem, the problem of subjective experience; why, as Nagel puts it, there is 'something it is like' to be conscious. But, yes, there is a reason it's called the hard problem.Don't they call consciousness the Hard Problem for a reason.
You haven't been reading the right material. I recommend Antonio Damasio's books, and other popular presentations, such as Stanislas Dehaene's Consciousness and the Brain.I havn't heard of any definitive findings about consciousness either way. In fact from what I have read it would be near impossible for science to determine ideas like experiences and perception of the world into bits of matter to even test this.
As I said before, whenever there is a paradigm shift in physics we revise our ideas of reality. Philosophy remains as relevant as ever.I'm only going off what I have read where there seems to be a number of articles that claim the findings of quantum physics does point to fundemental changes in how we see reality and therefore this makes philosophy more relevant because it introduces questions and ideas beyond scientific materialist view.
Best avoid assumptions then...How to maintain the integrity of the complete set of underlying QM assumptions however, eludes our understanding.
Those questions have no relevance to evolution whatsoever.What's it like to be in Heaven?
Do animals go to Heaven after they die?
Etc.
Simple questions, that have Evolutionistic consequences - will I find a mate in Heaven? is my adaptation going to last when I'm in Heaven? - but which are not strictly part of the Evolutionary canon.
I was speaking more philosophically about how we can determine what nature is. The materialist take the view that only the science method can determine nature. So yes the science can be done but that only tells us how nature behaves. It doesn' t tell us essentially what it is.That has no impact on doing the science, so its ignorable.
Armchair philosophy isn't going to tell you what nature is.I was speaking more philosophically about how we can determine what nature is. The materialist take the view that only the science method can determine nature. So yes the science can be done but that only tells us how nature behaves. It doesn' t tell us essentially what it is.
Understanding nature is fundamentally beyond the scientific method, which leaves us with philosophy. The materialist view which is that nature is basically matter beyond our mental state is metaphysics in that its making claims about what nature is.
Which is exactly why science doesn't require inputs from philosophical materialism .. its just excess baggage that adds nothing but 'noise' as far as science is concerned. It doesn't really matter what view 'the materialist' takes there, as far as science is concerned, because that view is just another belief about what science is doing. My advice would be just to ignore it.I was speaking more philosophically about how we can determine what nature is. The materialist take the view that only the science method can determine nature. So yes the science can be done but that only tells us how nature behaves. It doesn' t tell us essentially what it is.
I agree. Science may have models it categorises under the term 'nature', but they are testable models. Science never tests for 'what nature actually is' because that is a philosophical question. Science tests its models and then assigns those test results as what it means, whenever it mentions 'nature'.stevevw said:Science isn't trying to answer the question of 'what nature really is'.
Beyond what's testable in science, is just an untestable belief .. so there is no question for science to answer there.stevevw said:Understanding nature is fundamentally beyond the scientific method,
So the materialist there, is just propagating more beliefs which just obscures our view of objective (physical) reality.stevevw said:.. which leaves us with philosophy. The materialist view which is that nature is basically matter beyond our mental state is metaphysics in that its making claims about what nature is.
I'll call ya on that from time to time y'know .. (No complaining about that from now on then, eh?)Best avoid assumptions then...
So the question we should be asking is, why does it work so well to imagine that chairs possess a property of facilitating sitting, and why the measurement of said facilitation can be regarded as something objective?What is a chair, really? What is a game, really? These concepts are also just useful abstractions, e.g. something you can sit on ..
My style is a little different, in that I prefer home-grown thought almost exclusively, but I have learned to use links, because I know it is expected much of the time.
"Home grown thoughts" are also known as "opinions".
I wonder what kind of chess player he would have made?I read once that his ideas were so successful because he was not only an expert mathematician, but he was able to mentally visualize things better than most people.
Einstein's ideas weren't 'home grown', (visualisation capabilities, or not).I don't suppose Albert Einstein was parroting things already known when he came up with new ideas.
...I read once that his ideas were so successful because he was not only an expert mathematician, but he was able to mentally visualize things better than most people.
Certainly nowhere near an Artificial Intelligence chess player's scores.I wonder what kind of chess player he would have made?
Einstein's ideas weren't 'home grown', (visualisation capabilities, or not).
Reference link for that is broken .. (no idea of his source) .. and it was written by some dude in 2007.Einstein was a visionary, and understood philosophy at a young age.
"At age 13, when he had become more seriously interested in philosophy (and music),[29] Einstein was introduced to Kant's Critique of Pure Reason. Kant became his favorite philosopher, his tutor stating: "At the time he was still a child, only thirteen years old, yet Kant's works, incomprehensible to ordinary mortals, seemed to be clear to him."
Albert Einstein - Wikipedia
Yes .. only because, technically speaking, nothing can prevent one from voicing their own opinions?Landon Caeli said:I would say it was his abilities at being an expert mathematician and a philosopher that made him the true polymath that he was.
Reference link for that is broken .. (no idea of his source) .. and it was written by some dude in 2007.
Either way, that doesn't demonstrate that his abilities to conceive testable notions in physics were 'home grown', (unless its your opinion his particular instance of education is what you mean by 'home grown')?
Yes .. only because, technically speaking, nothing can prevent one from voicing their own opinions?
Which only says that it would probably be a good idea to be at least as much of an expert in a relevant area as Einstein in mathematics before one takes their "new idea" as interesting.I don't suppose Albert Einstein was parroting things already known when he came up with new ideas.
...I read once that his ideas were so successful because he was not only an expert mathematician, but he was able to mentally visualize things better than most people.
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