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Is Sanctification a PROCESS?

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Don't make things more complicated than they need be. We repent and things go well.

Why repent if you are just bound to sin again? When we repent, it should be repenting from all our SIN, not just what we committed in the past. After all, only the sins we repent from are cleansed. So don't commit anymore. Carnal man says that is impossible, so they make up their own false doctrines that say we are cleansed of our past, present and future sins. You see they EXPECT to sin. That is against the command to reckon yourself dead to sin, and act accordingly. After all, Christ has given those who have repented of all sin the Holy Spirit to strengthen you and kill even the desire to sin, so why sin when you don't have to.
 
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Why repent if you are just bound to sin again? When we repent, it should be repenting from all our SIN, not just what we committed in the past. After all, only the sins we repent from are cleansed. So don't commit anymore. Carnal man says that is impossible, so they make up their own false doctrines that say we are cleansed of our past, present and future sins. You see they EXPECT to sin. That is against the command to reckon yourself dead to sin, and act accordingly. After all, Christ has given those who have repented of all sin the Holy Spirit to strengthen you and kill even the desire to sin, so why sin when you don't have to.
You don't have to sin again.
 
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sanctification, holiness, maturity, spiritual growth......
being filled with the Spirit
its all a process with a lot of ups and downs in life.....
its never a 1 time deal.......

It is a life long relationship with the Father through the Lord Jesus Christ...
just like all our relationships on this earth....
continual break down through sin and restoring of relationships...through forgiveness and repentence.....

He who endures to the end will be saved......
matthew 24:13
 
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You don't have to sin again.

One thing I like about the United Methodist Church I go to is they don't teach false doctrine. It is one of the first churches that believes the same as I've come to believe through much study and meditation on "what does this mean, Lord." Before I found this church, I was getting very frustrated with the lack of knowledge I found in the AOG church. But then God gave me a dream about them, and I left them.

I'm not surprised though about my present church as I especially loved John Wesley when researching church history.
 
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Jesus at the wedding of Galalli portrayed believers as matured tasting wine of the harvest. Wine takes time to ferment and a good wine is one that has matured under the right conditions. The Seal of Guarantee who guarantees what is to come is the Holy Spirit. Immediately we have to associate the word sanctify to the Holy Spirit.

So what does sanctify mean biblically?

To make complete. It most certainly is associated with glorification and this is what Paul is highlighting "what is to come", in that it is a lifelong process arbitrated by the Holy Spirit.

The fires of purgation within this temporal life is the ongoing process assigned to the Holy Spirit of God to make a justified believer complete and to mold them in the personage of the beloved Son. As it is written, "I reduce, while he increases".

When reading your post, I could not help but capture the spiritual state you are in by your own testimony.

That was not my experience when I received the Holy Spirit 41 years ago. The disabling desire to commit willful sin was gone immediately. In particular, mine was adultery. Where I had been completely weak and defenseless, I was now strong and powerful overnight. All that was left was faults in my fruit.

Am I right to say that those "faults in your fruit" have taken 41 years to iron out?

Well, it is those fruits of the Spirit that are the ongoing process of faith works in progress, that molds you ever so slightly to "what is to come" for you, according to your abilities of how the Lord sees fit for your glorification.

No one is born complete, to begin with, with Jesus being the only exception. We are not 100% complete/sanctified the moment we were justified, for this is why it has taken you 41 years to iron out the "faults in your fruit".

Let me give you an analogy. When a person gets orthodontics treatment, does the Orthodontist put the braces and to physically proceed to put force on the crooked teeth in an effort to straighten them out, on the first adjustment?

Absolutely not! If he did, then he is not a qualified Orthodontist and he will either risk breaking the teeth he wants to straighten or if they don't break, then the patient wanting to get straightened teeth, will be so overwhelmed with pain, that they would have no part of this procedure and would ask the braces to be immediately removed. What a professional Orthodontist does is to make very slight adjustments on a monthly basis, over a period of say 21 months, until the teeth are trained into place, rather than being forced into place through sheer pain and the risk of breakage.

Think of the braces as our Holy Spirit purgation fires that ever so lightly burn away our old carnal self. Think of the Orthodontist as Jesus who makes re-adjustments of the purgation fires over time, so that our old carnal self is trained. As Jesus said the Holy Spirit will be with us and to train us. This maturation process does not happen overnight and requires time and it is biblical to think of this being a process. As Paul in 2 Timothy 4:6-8 calls this an individuals race of faith to the death. The Hebrews writer states, "In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood". (Hebrews 12:4)

We are under obligation that sanctification is a lifelong process until biological death and this is our race of faith that only ends when we as Testators biologically die.

The statement below is false because sanctification does not mean getting sin out of your life over time. Sin should immediately cease if you had genuinely repented, otherwise one is treading under foot the Son of God, by wilfully living lifestyles of sin.

The modern day version of sanctification is a life long process of 'getting sin out of your life.'
 
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So what does sanctify mean biblically?

To make complete. It most certainly is associated with glorification and this is what Paul is highlighting "what is to come", in that it is a lifelong process arbitrated by the Holy Spirit.

When the utensils in the temple were being sanctified, it wasn't a long process. They needed to be cleansed, which for us is the analogy of justification following repentance when all past sins are taken away. Then they are blessed and set apart for use in the temple. That is not a 'process,' it is complete as soon as the Holy Spirit enters us. You can use them right away. That is having been sanctified, when even the desire to sin is gone. But for us there is a process, but not misinterpreted sanctification, but of glorification to become more and more like Jesus. That doesn't mean in order to stop sinning as the common false teaching want us to buy into; that was done at justification - the power of the Holy Spirit did that when we were filled and sanctified (that is if we have been filled - not all have as you must truly repent and been justified - not to keep on sinning, but to overcome sinning that you never had power to do before Christ.) The Sanctification is the baptism of the Holy Spirit which is NOT a process.

The glorification is for using the gifts of the Holy Spirit, boldness in preaching, and developing the mind of Christ. During this time more fillings of the Holy Spirit occur. The struggle with sin is a distant memory, so we can concentrate on abiding, and being lead by the Holy Spirit and develop to maturity the fruit of the Spirit.

The power of the Holy Spirit is intense and immediate. Now walk in Him. Become glorified - made holy. For without holiness, no man shall see God. Hebrews 12:14.
 
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When the utensils in the temple were being sanctified, it wasn't a long process. They needed to be cleansed, which for us is the analogy of justification following repentance when all past sins are taken away. Then they are blessed and set apart for use in the temple. That is not a 'process,' it is complete as soon as the Holy Spirit enters us. You can use them right away. That is having been sanctified, when even the desire to sin is gone. But for us there is a process, but not misinterpreted sanctification, but of glorification to become more and more like Jesus. That doesn't mean in order to stop sinning as the common false teaching want us to buy into; that was done at justification - the power of the Holy Spirit did that when we were filled and sanctified (that is if we have been filled - not all have as you must truly repent and been justified - not to keep on sinning, but to overcome sinning that you never had power to do before Christ.) The Sanctification is the baptism of the Holy Spirit which is NOT a process.

The glorification is for using the gifts of the Holy Spirit, boldness in preaching, and developing the mind of Christ. During this time more fillings of the Holy Spirit occur. The struggle with sin is a distant memory, so we can concentrate on abiding, and being lead by the Holy Spirit and develop to maturity the fruit of the Spirit.

The power of the Holy Spirit is intense and immediate. Now walk in Him. Become glorified - made holy. For without holiness, no man shall see God. Hebrews 12:14.

You have a different definition of sanctification.

Biblically, Sanctification is the act or process of acquiring sanctity, of being made complete, that is in becoming Holy.

Being made Holy, is to be made complete in the fullness of Christ, according to his eight beatitudes.

Your definition of sanctification is Holyiness or completion at the instant of being justified by faith in Christ.

Are we there yet?

Answer in short is no!

A one night stand with being made complete is a western mindset of fast food, where things happen yesterday so to speak. The Jewish cultural context of being made complete/Holy is not one that happens overnight.

Sanctification is the act of being glorified in Christ and this does not happen overnight, in that it is not a one night stand thing.

No one is really buying a definition based on a western cultural context of fast food, but you are entitled to redefine sanctification, but it is not a biblical definition because it diverges away from the context of Jewish culture.

Even Paul's sanctification can be traced across his 15 year ministry, where he self appraises himself differently ever five years. I wonder why is that? Mmmmmm....

If you self appraise yourself across your 41 years, then the act of perfecting of those fruits is by definition the process of sanctification which is directly related to bring glorified in the fulness of Christ. You did not start off 100% whole/Holy/complete. You needed time to be purged of your carnal old man who was governed by the mind of flesh to be approaching 100% a person being governed by the Spirit. It takes time, a lifetime.

We are not 100% even now and to think we were Holy 100% when we were justified is not looking at the bigger picture.
 
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You have a different definition of sanctification.

Biblically, Sanctification is the act or process of acquiring sanctity, of being made complete, that is in becoming Holy.

Being made Holy, is to be made complete in the fullness of Christ, according to his eight beatitudes.

Your definition of sanctification is Holyiness or completion at the instant of being justified by faith in Christ.

Are we there yet?

Answer in short is no!

A one night stand with being made complete is a western mindset of fast food, where things happen yesterday so to speak. The Jewish cultural context of being made complete/Holy is not one that happens overnight.

Sanctification is the act of being glorified in Christ and this does not happen overnight, in that it is not a one night stand thing.

No one is really buying a definition based on a western cultural context of fast food, but you are entitled to redefine sanctification, but it is not a biblical definition because it diverges away from the context of Jewish culture.

Even Paul's sanctification can be traced across his 15 year ministry, where he self appraises himself differently ever five years. I wonder why is that? Mmmmmm....

If you self appraise yourself across your 41 years, then the act of perfecting of those fruits is by definition the process of sanctification which is directly related to bring glorified in the fulness of Christ. You did not start off 100% whole/Holy/complete. You needed time to be purged of your carnal old man who was governed by the mind of flesh to be approaching 100% a person being governed by the Spirit. It takes time, a lifetime.

We are not 100% even now and to think we were Holy 100% when we were justified is not looking at the bigger picture.
agree with the american western mindset......
instant gratification....instant results.....

this instant one time salvation is a major flaw in western christianity...imo

we pull that over into our walk with Christ and it is almost Idolatry...
or bringing God down to our level and culture of what we think He should be....

when we come to the understanding that this is a life long journey.....
then we need patience and endurance and not quick fixes
then we understand holiness, sanctification, purity, faith, maturity...
all takes time and we dont get frustrated trying to find these qualities overnight...

He who endures to the end will be saved!!!!!
 
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One thing I like about the United Methodist Church I go to is they don't teach false doctrine. It is one of the first churches that believes the same as I've come to believe through much study and meditation on "what does this mean, Lord." Before I found this church, I was getting very frustrated with the lack of knowledge I found in the AOG church. But then God gave me a dream about them, and I left them.

I'm not surprised though about my present church as I especially loved John Wesley when researching church history.
I've always been a United Methodist, and I never had a problem with the church, until many of the pastors in this conference (California-Nevada) began teaching that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. I guess they are going to address that problem next February.
 
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I've always been a United Methodist, and I never had a problem with the church, until many of the pastors in this conference (California-Nevada) began teaching that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. I guess they are going to address that problem next February.

This one practices the gifts of the Spirit. Does yours? Curious if they all do, and if so, why has this problem even entered, let alone, stayed? Certainly, NOT of the Spirit.
 
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This one practices the gifts of the Spirit. Does yours? Curious if they all do, and if so, why has this problem even entered, let alone, stayed? Certainly, NOT of the Spirit.
I don't understand your first question.
 
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You have a different definition of sanctification.

Biblically, Sanctification is the act or process of acquiring sanctity, of being made complete, that is in becoming Holy.

Being made Holy, is to be made complete in the fullness of Christ, according to his eight beatitudes.

Your definition of sanctification is Holyiness or completion at the instant of being justified by faith in Christ.

Are we there yet?

Answer in short is no!

A one night stand with being made complete is a western mindset of fast food, where things happen yesterday so to speak. The Jewish cultural context of being made complete/Holy is not one that happens overnight.

Sanctification is the act of being glorified in Christ and this does not happen overnight, in that it is not a one night stand thing.

No one is really buying a definition based on a western cultural context of fast food, but you are entitled to redefine sanctification, but it is not a biblical definition because it diverges away from the context of Jewish culture.

Even Paul's sanctification can be traced across his 15 year ministry, where he self appraises himself differently ever five years. I wonder why is that? Mmmmmm....

If you self appraise yourself across your 41 years, then the act of perfecting of those fruits is by definition the process of sanctification which is directly related to bring glorified in the fulness of Christ. You did not start off 100% whole/Holy/complete. You needed time to be purged of your carnal old man who was governed by the mind of flesh to be approaching 100% a person being governed by the Spirit. It takes time, a lifetime.

We are not 100% even now and to think we were Holy 100% when we were justified is not looking at the bigger picture.

Some "definitions" are based on human reasoning, but some human reasoning is carnal.

What I have found, as I said in the OP, that in the NT the references to sanctification are past tense. In other words, they were done, so the theory that it is a life long process wouldn't be true. So that made me go back to the word, not man, and see.
 
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so is the OP saying that since that time he stopped committing adultery he has not committed not even one sin in thought, word, or deed?

Your question is perfectly and timely executed and I can already discern that it will never be answered by the OP in a direct manner and it will be left open-ended by further uninspired delusions.

It sounds to me like Neural Linguistic Programming, where a person can make themselves to believe what they want to believe in the face of realities to the contrary.
 
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