lightchild said:and you say your holiness hasnt been affected by listening to satanic music, but that in and of itself tells me it has. if you cant see the fact that youre making excuses to engage in something that blatantly doesnt glorify God, thats definitely an effect on your holiness. pray about that.
momgreenlady said:I have not found a "christian" artist that sounds anything like it. I will have to say that some of his music talks about killing people and that does seem harsh. Yet, I am not one to hide from the sins in this world. People do kill people, it happens. He is singing about the evil in this world, that does not mean that he condones it.
ScottyL said:I do.
lightchild said:i'm not self righteous. and since when does being secure in what i believe make me such a thing? i could say the same thing about you. but everything ive told you is backed up by bible verses and all youve done is attack that and refuse to look at what it is that God says and wants. show me where in the bible it says its ok to engage in sinful behaviour because you like it. show me and i'll shut up.
lightchild said:ok i read the article, and some of it is good, but it sounds like some of the same modern american teenager stuff i was referring to earlier. i wasnt saying that it was blatantly dishonorable to God to sing and listen to music about forks and hotdogs.
but when youre listening to music about murder with swearing or whatever else thats in the music is, the story changes. leaving the matter of whether it causes you to sin behind, because thats a given; if youre willingly exposing yourself to something ungodly, it can and probably will influence you in ways you may not even know. it could slowly allow you to rationalize some things in your head. in my opinion, this is a great example that youre rationalizing listening to sinful music.
from the article: So is it wrong to listen to someone sinning? No. We read in the Bible examples on people sinning throughout
well its not wrong to read the bible and read aboutthe sins commited in there. why? because God gave us that book in order to learn from it and to understand the past of our ancestors. it wont negatively influence a person because the spirit behind it is godly.
ungodly music on the other hand, along with every other thing in its entertainment genre that is spiritually unsound, it doesnt matter if your music makes you fall asleep or if it makes you wanna go do drugs or fornicate or kill someone. while those are notable outcomes, the point is to not continually expose yourself to something not designed to bring praise to the almighty God. all music, like the article says was originated to be praise and worship for the Lord. but things didnt all remain that way. satan turned on him. people sending themselves to hell isnt a part of God being praised. music that isnt wholesome is also not a part of praising God.
i hope that got my point across.
ScottyL said:Read it again.
They also say that there is no sin unless the music causes you to sin.
So you can listen to whatever you want, as long as it doesn't cause you to sin.
They also talk about bands with bad lyrics.
Also the intent of a band is to make good music.
You were talking about intentions, and that's the intention. Not to lead people to satan.
I'm rationalizing because I know it's not a sin.
You can have personal convictions, but don't try and force them on me.
Don't even start with this...I've already tirelessly rebutted this narrow-minded stance...oooh....4..5 times now? Go look in past threads if you want to see why I believe Scripture has no problem with it. If God convicts you specifically, that's one thing, but going just off of Scripture, there is not a single passage you can cite that irrefutably proves this point of view.lightchild said:doesnt it seem possible that maybe God wouldnt want you to listen to sinful music, possibly becauseit is sinning? in and of itself? that would be causing you to sin. but likei said in my last post, its a given that if it causes you to sin, stop listening to it. that wasnt my point. my point was that if its not wholesome then you shouldnt be willingly exposing yourself to it for no purpose other than entertainment. if entertainment is what you seek, find it elsewhere. but as a christian you are expected by people and most of all God to livea wholesome lifestyle. what kind of message are you sending to non-christians and GOd when you're allowing yourself to be immersed in somethign that its undebatably unwholesome?
i never said anything about intentions. i said the spirit behind it makes the difference. besides, havent you ever heard of the phrase, the road to hell is pavedwith good intentions? well...intend all you like, but people are bound to miss the mark somewhere. enough said.
and you dont need to rationalize something if it doesntneed to be rationalized, like innocence. if it needs rationalization, its probably wise to rethink why you're rationalizing in thefirst place.
and lastly, i'm not forcing anything on you. we're both discussing our strong points of view. im not forcing anything on you, you're not forcing anything on me. this a forum though, what else to you expect but steadfast people ready and willing to spread their knowledge and ideas?
you shoudlnt get so defensive. nobodys attacking you. simply using the bible for guidance and if that strikes a nerve, then perhaps theres something you should pray about.
Alright, if that's the case, where are Scripture references for these?lightchild said:but everything ive told you is backed up by bible verses
now think of this, lucifer, aka satan was the angel of what? music!
i said earlier that satan was the angel of music. do you really think that the master of deception, with a specialty in music
Running searches through BibleGateway, looking through the topical index in my NKJV, browsing Wikipedia, and even consulting the entries for Lucifer, Satan, and Angel of Music in Gustav Davidson's Dictionary of Angels doesn't turn up that association.music was satans specialty when he was in heaven with God till he decided he wanted to be God
what kind of christian would i be if i didnt? Ezekiel 33: 1 - 11 explains that if you see a man going down a path that leads to destruction, and you do nothing to save him then his blood is on your hands if he dies. however if you do try and save him and he dies anyway, its his own doing. im simply giving you the information you need in order to make an informed decision. what you do or dont do from here on in...is on you.