Is reprobation synergistic?

[Seaioth]

I was pondering over the indelible sin, that is blashspheming the Holy Spirit, but which most strongly affirm cannot be commited today.

Yet it is utter heresy to make God to author of sin, therefore it is most confounding understanding irresitble grace in context with those which God 'sorrowfully' allowed them to commit, as God desires all men to be saved, albeit the mutilple wills.

Neverhteless as I understand believe it to be,
both salvation and sanctification is entirely monergistic, but what about reprobation?

Note my desire is not talking about double predestination and about its gross mispresentation of scripture: i.e.

The distortion of double predestination suggests a parallelism of foreordination and predestination by means of a positive symmetry, which may be called a positive-positive view of predestination. This is, God positively and actively intervenes in the lives of the elect to bring them to salvation; and in the same way God positively and actively intervenes in the life of the reprobate to bring him to sin.
This distortion makes God the author of sin who punishes a person for doing what God monergistically and irresistibly moves man to do. This is not the Reformed view of predestination, but a gross and inexcusable caricature of the doctrine. Such a view may be identified with what is often loosely described as hyper-Calvinism and involves a radical form of supralapsarianism. Such a view of predestination has been virtually universally and monolithically rejected by Reformed thinkers...
albeit, how please show to me how the scriptures and doctrines of covenant theology reconcile with this...

This is most troubling and most find it more productive to avoid the question entirely. Which may or may not be fruitful.

 

[Jerrysch]

I was pondering over the indelible sin, that is blashspheming the Holy Spirit, but which most strongly affirm cannot be commited today.

An article which I found quite enlightnening regarding the unpardonable sin is to be found at;

http://www.ifca.org/voice/05Mar-Apr/ArnoldG.Fruchtenbaum.htm

I am not really sure that it "holds water" from a Biblical standpoint, but I will discuss this if you like.

 

[eph3Nine]

The uppardonable sin was committed by the nation Israel, when they rejected God the Father, God the Son, and finally the testimony of God the HOLY SPIRIT with the killing of Stephen. This sin cannot be committed today.

 

[TubaFour]

Are you saying that a jew or a gentile today cannot reject God the father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit? Are you saying that the unpardonably sin is a "national sin"? How do you define national sin? How many sinners within a nation does it take to constitute a national sin?

aL

 

[heymikey80]

Yet it is utter heresy to make God to author of sin, therefore it is most confounding understanding irresitble grace in context with those which God 'sorrowfully' allowed them to commit, as God desires all men to be saved, albeit the mutilple wills.

Neverhteless as I understand believe it to be,
both salvation and sanctification is entirely monergistic, but what about reprobation?

I would say reprobation is "nonergistic" -- the human spirit is dead, and without being made alive by the Spirit it remains dead, without any spiritual power, and will be condemned by God at the Final Judgement.

I think there're plenty of Scriptures establishing this, some that come to mind, "Without Me you can do nothing." (Jesus to Pilate) "And you were dead in trespasses and sins ..." (Ep 2) "What I don't wish to do, that I do." (Rom 7) "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day." (John 6:44) More on power and lack of it in 1 John.

 

[Jerrysch]

The uppardonable sin was committed by the nation Israel, when they rejected God the Father, God the Son, and finally the testimony of God the HOLY SPIRIT with the killing of Stephen. This sin cannot be committed today.

I don't think that the context of the NT supports your timing. Jesus made a singular statement regarding this sin, that teaching regarding this sin was never repeated at any other time as far as Scripture gives witness. The Jews however of the generation of the time of Jesus did commit that sin when they attributed His work to demonic sources. It was at that time the ministry of Jesus changed and He began to teach the masses in parables.

 

[Jerrysch]

Are you saying that a jew or a gentile today cannot reject God the father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit? Are you saying that the unpardonably sin is a "national sin"? How do you define national sin? How many sinners within a nation does it take to constitute a national sin?

aL

I will suggest that it is a national sin. It was a sin that could only be committed in the context of the events described in Scripture. I think it was a national sin because it was committed by the Jewish leadership after their examination of the preaching and works of Jesus, it resulted in the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple and their dispersion throughout the world for the last 2000 years.

I think the national sin was committed by the leadership, yet all who were counted as believers even at that time were of Jewish origin. (about 99.9%).

 

[TubaFour]

I will suggest that it is a national sin. It was a sin that could only be committed in the context of the events described in Scripture. I think it was a national sin because it was committed by the Jewish leadership after their examination of the preaching and works of Jesus, it resulted in the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple and their dispersion throughout the world for the last 2000 years.

I think the national sin was committed by the leadership, yet all who were counted as believers even at that time were of Jewish origin. (about 99.9%).

Any scripture to back you up?

22Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see. 23All the people were astonished and said, "Could this be the Son of David?"
24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "It is only by Beelzebub,[d] the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons."

25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

29"Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can rob his house.

Matt 12:

22Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see. 23All the people were astonished and said, "Could this be the Son of David?"
24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "It is only by Beelzebub,[d] the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons."

25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

29"Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can rob his house.

30"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. 31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

The phrase blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is given in the context of attributing God's work to the devil. It is a sin that can apparently be committed in that age and in this age.

Where in scripture does it tell us that the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a "national sin"?

aL