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Let's be forthright with one another. You're quoting what Trump said only after trying to amend the original statement of go back to your own country. I believe that it's completely disingenuous. The additional statement that she should go back and fix Somalia and then come back and show us how she did it, is completely unrealistic, and any sane person knows this.As I mentioned before, he didn't tell them to go back to your own country, he said go back, fix it then return and show us how you did it. You guys need to quit taking stuff out of context in order to find racism where it does not exist.
Wouldn't you say the same about men versus women?
Why were Trump's tweets racist?
When I was a kid I thought boys are bad people because those who didn't ignore me were mean to me. It was not until high school, when boys are reaching adulthood, that I could start to see them differently. As a woman now, I know to judge each man differently if they are to be judged at all.
I personally don't find it offensive; but a lot of people obviously did, hence the reaction.Okay, I’ll bite:
Let’s agree (for argument’s sake) that Trump’s tweets weren’t racist.
What did you find that was “offensive”?
I'm going by what he said; however I didn't read his original tweet. Did you?Let's be forthright with one another. You're quoting what Trump said only after trying to amend the original statement of go back to your own country. I believe that it's completely disingenuous. The additional statement that she should go back and fix Somalia and then come back and show us how she did it, is completely unrealistic, and any sane person knows this.
Would you prefer I spoke of slang, or usage, or cant, or argot, or jargon. Any group, having like interests, backgrounds and views, has a vocabulary evolved over time in which those views are embedded. You were unaware of this? Your joking, surely?You jokin' right?
I can see how the total of what he said can be understood as not racist if he only directed it at Omar. But he folded non-immigrants (Ocasio-Cortez, Tliab, and Pressley) into that too, which is what made it clearly racist. Which is not only sinful on his part, but bad strategy - all three of them have been saying indefensible things, but by stooping to racism to rebuke them, he did them a favor by taking public pressure off them and absorbing it himself. This is a favor that none of them deserve.Seems like you don't understand true racism.
Racism is when you discriminate against a specific race.
He simply told a group of immigrants that if they hate our country and how things are done here to simply go back to their own country. This is not discriminating against anyone but rather stating a fact.
Discrimination would be refusing to hire anyone of a specific race or giving them lower pay because of their race. There are many more examples but Trump does none of those.
True racism has nothing to do with hurtful words and more to do with actions.
I believe he should be called out on it, but pastors have to be careful, as politics are a minefield if you're pastoring a church that has both conservatives and liberals in it. If either side senses a partisan attack from the church leadership, they will complain loudly and/or leave, perhaps also with a resolve to do as much damage as possible to the leaders in question by spreading their twisted side of the story. It's like sexual harrassment logic - your intent doesn't matter, their interpretation does, so give them a wide berth. I have no doubt my pastor would call it out if he didn't have to navigate that minefield. He's called out racism before, and has gotten pushback on it before, mainly because black people and white people will read the exact same news articles and supporting sources and interpret the situation differently.This pastor says that it is. And he calls out church leaders to label it as a sin.
Who Will Call Out the President's Racism?
Should national leaders be called out on their sins even if they are believed to support 'Christianity'? Or should only only national leaders who are believed to not support Christianity be called out on their sins?
Should the party who called out Bill Clinton for marital infidelity also call out Donald Trump for racism?? Within the realm of morals and ethics is there any reason why anyone should believe Christians have either morals or ethics?
My bad, I didn’t think you were serious; but obviously you were so I shall respond accordingly.Would you prefer I spoke of slang, or usage, or cant, or argot, or jargon. Any group, having like interests, backgrounds and views, has a vocabulary evolved over time in which those views are embedded. You were unaware of this? Your joking, surely?
I have a right to voice my opinion just like anybody else. If you disagree with what I say due to information that you are aware of that I am not, feel free to refute what I said.If you didn't read his original tweet then what makes you think you have the right to pontificate on the matter. Your joking, right?
Of course, but when it is founded on seriously incomplete information then readers are likely to infer that the opinion was based more on beliefs than facts, especially when relevant information was readily available.I have a right to voice my opinion just like anybody else.
Others seem to have that in hand, but my argument may emerge when I get round to addressing your other posts on the "coded message" front. (I will say in passing that I find it surprising that someone who can right a coherent series of paragraphs is genuinely unaware that such codes are commonplace. Its almost like you have the literalist standpoint of an evolutionist. [and yes, I am poking you a little, It's a code thing.If you disagree with what I say due to information that you are aware of that I am not, feel free to refute what I said.
First of all, concerning PoC (people of color) EVERYBODY is a person of color. White is just as much as a color as black, brown, or anything else. Using code words specifically meant to separate one group from the rest is racist in itself.
Second; the reason he targeted those people is because they were his enemies. To suggest he attacked them because they were black or brown would be as absurd as claiming he attacked John McCain, Rosie O Donald, Jeb Bush, Hilary Clinton and countless others because they were white.
Polish, and Irish were always considered white. They were attacked because they were foreign.
No! It means that phrase against those minorities was not racism.
I can see how the total of what he said can be understood as not racist if he only directed it at Omar. But he folded non-immigrants (Ocasio-Cortez, Tliab, and Pressley) into that too, which is what made it clearly racist. Which is not only sinful on his part, but bad strategy - all three of them have been saying indefensible things, but by stooping to racism to rebuke them, he did them a favor by taking public pressure off them and absorbing it himself. This is a favor that none of them deserve.
I believe he should be called out on it, but pastors have to be careful, as politics are a minefield if you're pastoring a church that has both conservatives and liberals in it. If either side senses a partisan attack from the church leadership, they will complain loudly and/or leave, perhaps also with a resolve to do as much damage as possible to the leaders in question by spreading their twisted side of the story. It's like sexual harrassment logic - your intent doesn't matter, their interpretation does, so give them a wide berth. I have no doubt my pastor would call it out if he didn't have to navigate that minefield. He's called out racism before, and has gotten pushback on it before, mainly because black people and white people will read the exact same news articles and supporting sources and interpret the situation differently.
Now, on this issue specifically, I have seen conservatives call the racism out, and I have called it out, and I don't believe that racism has a true home in truly conservative political thought. But as you can see from this thread (and I have seen it elsewhere), other conservatives are reacting reflexively, denying what Trump said was racist. One has to ask why. Part of the reason I think is that like every other conservative in the US, I am tired of being called racist for every little thing. I have heard from many people on the left that either I am a racist for having positions on the right, or that anyone to the right of them on various issues is racist. I have seen time and again, liberals making up charges of racism out of thin air, as if the more racism they think there is out there, that somehow validates them. And the false charges of racism are used to attack us rather than debate the issues intelligently and respectfully. Since this has happened for years and years (not just 2016), I understand the temptation to automatically dismiss any claim of racism from those on the left now, particularly from Democrats who are in office or seeking re-election, and also from the fringe left, who are just nuts. And I think quite a few conservatives have dismissed it based on that. Cry wolf enough times, and people will ignore you when the wolf actually comes.
And since many churches have many people who have been attacked with lies of racism time and again, pastors have to be careful when calling it out. It's unfortunate and needs to change. I do what I can to be that change.
No it's not. It's just a convenient shorthand to refer to ethnic minorities in America. Discrimination against them exists, whether you acknowledge it or not.
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