Is putting your baby up for adoption a sin, or at least against what God would want?

[Jonathan_Gale]

She is too scared to tell the full truth. Not understanding domestic abuse often leads to blaming women for desperate decisions. I wish and hope for more available options for these women.

No you don't. A real desperate decision would be putting a bullet in that bastard's brain instead of a blade in her own womb.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I’m stating a truth. Not recommending.

You're entitlted to your opinion, but not your truth.

 

[comana]

No you don't. A real desperate decision would be putting a bullet in that bastard's brain instead of a blade in her own womb.

You clearly have not been in a position to counsel an abused woman and your opinion is not relevant.

 

[comana]

You're entitlted to your opinion, but not your truth.

My truth will always be my truth.

 

[Michie]

Both of those articles were based on the same BMJ article ("Internet Lens Effect" in effect).

That article asserted:



The article says homicide is a more likely cause of death than three specific obstetric causes.

It is written to imply that husbands are the greatest threat to women who have borne children, and thus it's better to be an unwed mother than a married mother.

It doesn't compare homicide to any other causes than those three, so it says nothing about the rate of women dying during pregnancy or soon after childbirth from any other causes.

Nor does it compare the homicide rate of women during pregnancy or soon after childbirth with the rate of women murdered during any other period of their lives or during any other activity.

Domestic violence is the issue. Pregnant women tend to be particularly vulnerable in that situation. I do not condone abortion.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

My truth will always be my truth.

No, it's that medical journal's truth and your opinion. Don't gaslight me, it ain't gonna work.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

You clearly have not been in a position to counsel an abused woman and your opinion is not relevant.

What I described is the last resort when no other option is on the table. A really desperate woman would take measure in her own hands instead of seek counsel from you or anybody else.

 

[splish- splash]

God is able to help them to heal & bond with their child. He can even enable them to provide for the child as well..

I know a Mother who had the same bad experience but decided to keep their pregnancy & they are doing so well together with this child, who is now a young adult. The child turned out to be a huge blessing to them actually.

 

[Pommer]

No you don't. A real desperate decision would be putting a bullet in that bastard's brain instead of a blade in her own womb.

When this has happen the woman (almost invariably) is charged with a homicide.
There is no such adverse effect with a legal abortion.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

When this has happen the woman (almost invariably) is charged with a homicide.
There is no such adverse effect with a legal abortion.

But there would be an adverse effect that the woman will continue living in fear of such a violent and abusive partner. Not only does abortion not deter his violent behavior and tendency, but it will encourage him.

 

[comana]

But there would be an adverse effect that the woman will continue living in fear of such a violent and abusive partner. Not only does abortion not deter his violent behavior and tendency, but it will encourage him.

Having a baby with him will also not improve the situation. Pregna makes her even more vulnerable and if there are children involved, even worse.

 

[RDKirk]

Domestic violence is the issue. Pregnant women tend to be particularly vulnerable in that situation. I do not condone abortion.

Domestic violence is certainly an important issue.

But the articles don't provide any data that pregnant women are subjected to domestic violence at any greater rate, which is the implication being attempted in this thread.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Having a baby with him will also not improve the situation. Pregna makes her even more vulnerable and if there are children involved, even worse.

Have you realized that you're pushing a victim mentality on women? Pitying over their tragic situation, soling out unsolicited advise that would further weaken them, subtly blaming them for getting pregnant, considering that as an inconveience, instead of actually dealing as an issue of domestic violence?

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Having a baby with him will also not improve the situation. Pregna makes her even more vulnerable and if there are children involved, even worse.

The only mention of abortion in this article is a complaint about legal restrictions, nowhere does it suggest getting knocked up by the bastard, or recommend abortion as a solution for domestic violence, or even distinguish it from natural miscarriage.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Having a baby with him will also not improve the situation. Pregna makes her even more vulnerable and if there are children involved, even worse.

You know what, I find such tone and such attitude throughout this whole conversation misogynistic, troubling and infuriating. I see zero sympathy or empowerment for women, you and a few others are just pushing abortion as if it's the only way out, which, when the women are already in such a tragic and unfortunate situation, puts them under the mercy of their abusive partner or the abortion provider like lamb to the slaughter.

A thoughtful, educated and careful woman would know that there's only a narrow time window of fertility each month when ovulation takes place, and she would track her menstrual cycle to determine exactly which time she's fertile and which time she's not. It's not like you just bury your seed in the womb anytime, anywhere under any circumstance and it will naturally sprout into a baby.

 

[comana]

You know what, I find such tone and such attitude throughout this whole conversation misogynistic, troubling and infuriating. I see zero empathy or empowerment for women, you and a few others are just pushing abortion as if it's the only way solution, which effectively putting the women in such a tragic and unfortunate situation under the mercy of their abusive partner or the abortion provider like lamb to the slaughter.

A thoughtful, educated and careful woman would know that there's only a narrow time window of fertility each month when ovulation takes place, and she would track her menstrual cycle to determine exactly which time she's fertile and which time she's not. It's not like you just bury your seed in the womb anytime, anywhere under any circumstance and it will naturally sprout into a baby.

Your sympathy is noted. Carry on.

 

[Pommer]

But there would be an adverse effect that the woman will continue living in fear of such a violent and abusive partner. Not only does abortion not deter his violent behavior and tendency, but it will encourage him.

How is raising a child in such an environment a “good thing”?

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

How is raising a child in such an environment a “good thing”?

Um, the last time I checked, the topic of this thread is about adoption, not childrearing or domestic violence or abortion.