Is Presdient Bush A Racist?

Doctrine1st · May 12, 2006

Scribbler said:
Why is there no outcry when Harry Belafonte or somesuch calls Powell/Rice a 'house negro or Tom? No backlash from the black community? No rallying around our brother like I saw in the wake of Jesse's love-child scandal? I though 'Silence=Consent" was one of the liberals motto?
And Jackson/Sharpton aren't considered leaders? That's news to me. Every time an incident involving race comes up, Jesse or Al is on the first plane there, condemning America, Republicans, some other 'evil', as though theirs is the voice of black America. Democrats speak before their congregations and their organizations.
As for whether or not Jesse & Al are on the public payroll, what does that have to do with anything?

Because Belafonte is a private citizen. Why do you think there needs to be some ringing support or admonishment from the black community when ever some black private citizen makes a comment????

And no there are today NO BLACK leaders what so ever. Why Jesse and Al do what they do is because they feel it's their calling, not because they have been given the helm or approved by the masses some kind of leadership role representing a segment of society. They do not speak for me. I speak for myself. My state representative speaks for me. My lawyer speaks for me. Jesse and Al do NOT speak for the black community. You are again over generalizing.

SummerMadness · May 12, 2006

Scribbler said:
Why is there no outcry when Harry Belafonte or somesuch calls Powell/Rice a 'house negro or Tom? No backlash from the black community? No rallying around our brother like I saw in the wake of Jesse's love-child scandal?
And Jackson/Sharpton aren't considered leaders? That's news to me. Dems speak at their churches and their organizations. They do this to secure their endorsement,...to secure their votes. I suspect they know what I do- they are leaders. Every time an incident involving race comes up, Jesse or Al is on the first plane there, condemning America, Republicans, some other 'evil', speaking up for black America. Where is the backlash? Where are all the black leaders saying "You don't speak for us"? Does Silence=Consent? I thought that was a liberal motto!

As for whether or not Jesse & Al are on the public payroll, what does that have to do with anything?

First of all, I'm sure Jesse and Al don't go around blaming Republicans, you're just pulling that out of thin air. Secondly, you put Jesse and Al on this pedestal, you prop them up more than the black community props them up. It's amazing, I must say.

I could go on and on about the generalizations and how you're wrong, but I think Doctrine1st has said more than enough. Blacks don't have a negative view of Republicans because anything Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton say. The negative attitude comes from scare tactics like Willie Horton, Jesse Helms' affirmative action ad, and the recent alarmist thread about black people getting reparations. Republicans do it to themselves, so they need to stop pointing the finger at Jesse and Al.

The_Horses_Boy · May 12, 2006

SummerMadness said:
I think that shows the real disconnect that whites have with blacks, they think all of us listen to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Anytime a conversation about race comes up, someone brings up slavery, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton, and it's usually a non-black bringing those subjects up. The only people that bring up Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

This is the same way that the black community was portrayed as being against Bill Cosby, I didn't hear such an uproar, and if you listened to black radio, there were a lot of people that agreed. You also can look at the focus on gangsta rap, a 90's movement when blacks had moved their complaints to the video girls (and even now that is transititioning out). Everytime I read comments about the black community I laugh at the lack of knowledge of what's really going on.

I think this above statement shows disconnect.

The_Horses_Boy · May 12, 2006

SummerMadness said:
First of all, I'm sure Jesse and Al don't go around blaming Republicans, you're just pulling that out of thin air. Secondly, you put Jesse and Al on this pedestal, you prop them up more than the black community props them up. It's amazing, I must say.

I could go on and on about the generalizations and how you're wrong, but I think Doctrine1st has said more than enough. Blacks don't have a negative view of Republicans because anything Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton say. The negative attitude comes from scare tactics like Willie Horton, Jesse Helms' affirmative action ad, and the recent alarmist thread about black people getting reparations. Republicans do it to themselves, so they need to stop pointing the finger at Jesse and Al.

... Disconnect? Scare tactics? Have you ever even paid attention to liberals and what they say, or do you just vote "against" and never "for"? If you think that there is a disconnect between whites and the black community, you're aren't filling the hole with any real positives.

ballfan · May 12, 2006

SummerMadness said:
First of all, I'm sure Jesse and Al don't go around blaming Republicans, you're just pulling that out of thin air. Secondly, you put Jesse and Al on this pedestal, you prop them up more than the black community props them up. It's amazing, I must say.

I could go on and on about the generalizations and how you're wrong, but I think Doctrine1st has said more than enough. Blacks don't have a negative view of Republicans because anything Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton say. The negative attitude comes from scare tactics like Willie Horton, Jesse Helms' affirmative action ad, and the recent alarmist thread about black people getting reparations. Republicans do it to themselves, so they need to stop pointing the finger at Jesse and Al.

Willie Horton?

Al Gore's Willie Horton?

Scribbler · May 12, 2006

SummerMadness said:
First of all, I'm sure Jesse and Al don't go around blaming Republicans, you're just pulling that out of thin air. Secondly, you put Jesse and Al on this pedestal, you prop them up more than the black community props them up. It's amazing, I must say.

I could go on and on about the generalizations and how you're wrong, but I think Doctrine1st has said more than enough. Blacks don't have a negative view of Republicans because anything Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton say. The negative attitude comes from scare tactics like Willie Horton, Jesse Helms' affirmative action ad, and the recent alarmist thread about black people getting reparations. Republicans do it to themselves, so they need to stop pointing the finger at Jesse and Al.

LOL, yeah, it was me that sends those two all the money they recieve, advertises their rallies, gets them on the TV, and echoes their words throughout black Ameria, too.

Hey, any of those folks concerned about an ex-Grand Wizard serving as the nation's top democrat?

Scribbler · May 12, 2006

Scribbler · May 12, 2006

ballfan said:
Willie Horton?

Al Gore's Willie Horton?

Al Gore? The same guy whose dad voted against the civil rights bill?
The smae guy who said, while running against Bradley in 2000, "You know, racial profiling practically started in New Jersey (home state of...guess who?)

Scribbler · May 12, 2006

arnegrim · May 12, 2006

NO! CAN'T BE!

Democrats are the CHAMPIONS of minorities!

SummerMadness · May 12, 2006

Yep, keep talking, it only serves to drive blacks further away from the Republican party. Why do people even ask the question if they think they know better than black people in the first place?

Scribbler · May 12, 2006

SummerMadness said:
Yep, keep talking, it only serves to drive blacks further away from the Republican party. Why do people even ask the question if they think they know better than black people in the first place?

Yes, we really felt the brunt of it the past two elections.

Doctrine1st · May 12, 2006

ballfan said:
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I don't quite understand. What is it you want and require them to do to gain your acceptance?

I completely accept who they are and what they have accomplished, but once again my disappointment can be summed up in one word.

I-N-T-E-G-R-I-T-Y!

As I mentioned before Powell in recent statements has seen the way of his errors in judgement.

k · May 13, 2006

The_Horses_Boy said:
I think that you are right. I have started some studies (only started, nothing conclusive) which support that racism is, perhaps, a natural train of thought. Racism is only part of what is one's preference to one's own likeness. If there wasn't any racism then, seeing as 13% of America is black and 80% is white (approximations), you would think that most blacks would be married to whites. This is not the case. *shrug* I think it's almost natural. However, anyone acts of hate I cannot stand. Preference, I can deal with it. Hate, I cannot.

However I must ask that, by the common secular standards (not what I have said above), how is Bush a racist? It seems to me that's he's more an advocate of equal treatment and of meritocracy than any President yet. He has more blacks in his cabinet than any other. He's opposed to any form of government aid based on race. I would like to know how he is, by society's standards, a racist.

Tokenism is not a solution to end racism by any means.

He is a racist because he does not promote an end to racism. He pretends it is a non-issue thus, at best, being complicit in its harms.

k · May 13, 2006

Scribbler said:
Yes, we really felt the brunt of it the past two elections.

Bush was Installed in 2000. Have we all forgotten this fact so easily?

The_Horses_Boy · May 13, 2006

Neverstop said:
Tokenism is not a solution to end racism by any means.

He is a racist because he does not promote an end to racism. He pretends it is a non-issue thus, at best, being complicit in its harms.

He doesn't beleive that it isn't an issue: he's taken a role in (ending) racist policies.

But I might also want to ask, what have you done? Are you a racist by your own standards?

k · May 14, 2006

What racist policies has bush ended?

The_Horses_Boy · May 14, 2006

Neverstop said:
What racist policies has bush ended?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030115-7.html

I said has taken a role towards ending, not that he has ended.

ballfan · May 14, 2006

Doctrine1st said:
I completely accept who they are and what they have accomplished, but once again my disappointment can be summed up in one word.

I-N-T-E-G-R-I-T-Y!

As I mentioned before Powell in recent statements has seen the way of his errors in judgement.

They have at least as much integrity as any other people or politicians.

Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.
The state of being unimpaired; soundness.
The quality or condition of being whole or undivided; completeness.

So again I ask what is it you require of them in order to accept them?

Look, I already know the answer and have all along. You object to them having different politics. In order for you to accept them as fully black you need for them to toe the "oppressed" line of thinking. The fact is they're too busy being doers and movers to waste their time with that. They don't have time to feel sorry for themselves and don't need for whites or blacks to feel sorry for them. They are not beholden to anybody. They don't have the "pepetual victim mentality" that so many, both black and white, seem to have. They tend to pander to the better instincts of people rather than the baser instincts. Its probably the reason they're Republicans and not Democrats.

CaligulaNero · May 14, 2006

"This comming from a guy whose screen name references two of the most evil men in world history?"

Do you really believe I'm a "fan" of either Caligula or Nero simply b/c I chose it for my screen name? That's silly.

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