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Is Orthodoxy the quickest path to atheism?

laconicstudent

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"fighting off" persecution?


Laconicstudent(was under the impression that Abba Anthony of Egypt left the desert and went into Alexandria hoping to win a martyrs crown)


"During the eighty-five years of his ascetical life, only twice did he go to Alexandria. The first time to seek martyrdom during the time of the persecution of the Church and...."

--Prologue from Ochrid
 
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Yeah, the systematic killings of monastics and clergy and faithful lay people had nothing to do with it.
 
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Yeah, the systematic killings of monastics and clergy and faithful lay people had nothing to do with it.
yes, from what I read - 48,000 priests were murdered, along with around 300 bishops, and 3000-4000 nuns were murdered as well. Laypeople...I don't know the numbers.
 
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I know, I said most evangelical stuff offers a quick fix. nowhere in their did I mention most Protestant denominations. I was referring to the big name evangelical megachurch stuff that is growing.

and I know people can grow in other denominations, I used to be Anglican and most of my family is still Methodist. so I know that growth can happen. forgive me for not being clear earlier.
 
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I STILL fail to see why a blatant TROLL OP was mistakenly treated as as legitimate debate topic & dumped here. should have just been kept locked or deleted *goes off shaking his head*

If I said why openly, it would result in permaban. Where, oh where, is the Synod in Resistance?
 
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I STILL fail to see why a blatant TROLL OP was mistakenly treated as as legitimate debate topic & dumped here. should have just been kept locked or deleted *goes off shaking his head*
Because back in 2007-09 he was the only Orthodox poster in the Teens section other than myself. He was not a troll.

Chances are that he probably forgot about starting this thread or just does not want to respond for reasons unknown. Either way, I will personally vouch that he was not a troll.
 
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Are you basing this impression on your own personal experience? That's the impression I'm getting
 
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I would say the quickest path to atheism is PRIDE.

I agree.

Also, it's amazing how many Orthodox drifted into Atheism when the Commies seized Russian and Eastern Europe. Think that would happen in the American South? You know the answer to that one.

Please. We all know what DID happen in the American South. Just look up the "great" Southern Methodist preacher William Joseph Simmons.

No, atheism and Communism would never feel at home in the "deep South". But another "-ism", to the right, would.
 
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This is where I am right now, where I have been for at least the better part of a year, probably longer. Because my spiritual mentor turned out to be an abusive creep, and betrayed me as well, my faith has been in shambles and I often feel like I'm just going through the motions. But I just keep going because I don't want to just let go.

When I told my husband a while back about the spiritual doubts I was having, he freaked out, especially when he found out that I go through these periods of doubt about God from time to time, even before this incident. It seems that whenever I tell him my secret spiritual thoughts that he disagrees with, he freaks out. Which really illuminates the loss in my life, because my spiritual mentor and best friend was, finally, someone who I could turn to with those spiritual thoughts and questions and struggles, who wouldn't freak out, wouldn't start talking as if the whole household were falling apart because I'm turning into a raving heretic or heathen.....

It seems that, to hubby, having doubts about God's very existence is a weakness in me, a weak spot in my own faith. So it's a huge relief to me to read that even Mother Theresa and other saints have gone through these dark times. And to read here that, to Catholics and Orthodox, it's not only expected but a sign of spiritual maturity, is very reassuring. Maybe there's hope for me after all, since I do continue to "go through the motions" instead of just abandoning everything.
 
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Perhaps your husband wants you to be strong in the faith. You might be his rock. I know that my husband also becomes upset whenever I have revealed to him the nasty things that went on regarding Mark Stokoe, the OCA, and the Antiochian Church. Yes, those incidents caused me to struggle. So, I just avoid that subject through guarding my senses and praying the Akathist or Paraclesis to the Theotokos.

The Theotokos has alway come to my aid whenever I have fervently asked for her intercession. In fact, the cotton ball I have that was soaked with the myrhh from the Miraculous Iveron Icon from Hawaii suddenly gives off a burst of heavenly fragrance that fills my bedroom whenever I have cried to the Theotokos for help.
 
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This is true for me as well. Ultimately it was the witness of the Saints that drew me in and they also help me to stay put. When I feel doubts, I read a book or story of one of the Saints and it helps renew and strengthen my faith.
Real Talk
 
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Also, when we go through periods of struggle, we should reach out to our fellow man/woman even more so. That is, switch our focus externally instead of internally.
 
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