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Is Orthodoxy the quickest path to atheism?

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Or that sometimes people start a thread like this to watch fireworks?

The word you're looking for is "troll." ;)

Not sure if I mentioned this before, but I had a few friends go to protestant schools to earn degrees in theology. Not a single one came back with their faith intact. I have found the reverse to be true of Orthodoxy -- seems like the more people learn, the less likely they are to leave.
 
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The word you're looking for is "troll." ;)

Not sure if I mentioned this before, but I had a few friends go to protestant schools to earn degrees in theology. Not a single one came back with their faith intact. I have found the reverse to be true of Orthodoxy -- seems like the more people learn, the less likely they are to leave.

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I love how many Orthodox love to put Protestants down as non thinking Christians. Makes me feel extremely great to be viewed as a moron.
I actually respect the Orthodox Church, even though there are parts of it I simply do not understand. However, I am a Christian thanks to my Anglican parents bringing me up in the Christian faith. I am not about to join a church that will make me refuse to take communion with my own parents. You know, the "honor your father and mother" thing kinda kept ringing in my ears when I was thinking about drifting toward Orthodoxy.
Also, it's amazing how many Orthodox drifted into Atheism when the Commies seized Russian and Eastern Europe. Think that would happen in the American South? You know the answer to that one.
Sigh.....so many one true churches to choose from. Think I'll just stay on my side of the aisle.
 
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I love how many Orthodox love to put Protestants down as non thinking Christians. Makes me feel extremely great to be viewed as a moron.

Hm. Strange. I heard a monk give a... heated, denunciation of "put down" behavior.

I am not about to join a church that will make me refuse to take communion with my own parents.

Interesting priority.

You know, the "honor your father and mother" thing kinda kept ringing in my ears when I was thinking about drifting toward Orthodoxy.

Did you encounter an Orthodox individual who directed you to scorn or disrespect your parents in any way?

Also, it's amazing how many Orthodox drifted into Atheism when the Commies seized Russian and Eastern Europe.

Yes, because it was all sugar and light for the Church in the U.S.S.R., and if people fell away, it is just because their faith was weak. There definitely wasn't any pogroms involved. Give me a break. This is a joke, right? :doh:

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Think that would happen in the American South? You know the answer to that one.

Yes, I think that the Bible belt, which has never faced anything even remotely comparable to the persecution the Church went through, and survived in the U.S.S.R., would implode.

Sigh.....so many one true churches to choose from.

One.

Think I'll just stay on my side of the aisle.

Sorry to hear that.
 
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Army Matt, you said most Protestant denominations offer a quick fix. Not all. Might wanna read up on the Wesleyan belief in Christian Perfection. It might be a good reminder to Orthodox that - believe it or not - Christians can grow in other denominations, too.
 
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Iaconicstudent:
Right when I mentioned "put down," I see a "fundivangelical" comment. It's also funny when you mentioned my "priority" when it comes to communion - I will never disrespect my parents who helped me grow in my faith. Having me refuse to take communion in any other church is encouraging me to disrespect the Christians who raised me.
Would the American South implode if faced with the same persecution? We might never know. You do need to remember one thing, though - people down here look for a good excuse to fight. Not saying that's right, I'm just saying that's how it is.
One thing that always amazed me about Islam is, despite the arguing between Shi'ite and Sunnis - and other Islamic sects - they all worship in the same mosques. Yet in Christianity, we can't worship in somebody else's church because one has leavened bread and one does not? One believes in original sin and one does not? One group prays to saints and one does not? Some use icons/rosaries and some do not?
Geez, no wonder Islam is growing faster......
 
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I know someone whose father was killed when the Communists took over. I know at least 2 others who were smuggled out as children. One of these women still has an icon of Christ with a bullet hole in his head which her father smuggled out.

You don't know what you are talking about.
 
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I am deeply sorry if I offended any Orthodox Christians who have had to fight off the Communists. iI can only guess that southerners would fight off persecution, but I don't know because we were never persecuted for our religious beliefs. Truth be known, none of us really know what we're going to say when the barrel of a gun is staring us down. We can only hope we would remain steadfast in our fath at that moment.
Merry Christmas to y'all!
 
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I love how many Orthodox love to put Protestants down as non thinking Christians. Makes me feel extremely great to be viewed as a moron.
I actually respect the Orthodox Church, even though there are parts of it I simply do not understand. However, I am a Christian thanks to my Anglican parents bringing me up in the Christian faith. I am not about to join a church that will make me refuse to take communion with my own parents. You know, the "honor your father and mother" thing kinda kept ringing in my ears when I was thinking about drifting toward Orthodoxy.
Also, it's amazing how many Orthodox drifted into Atheism when the Commies seized Russian and Eastern Europe. Think that would happen in the American South? You know the answer to that one.
Sigh.....so many one true churches to choose from. Think I'll just stay on my side of the aisle.

Do you know how many people shed their blood for Christ when the Communists took over Russia? Of course you do not. Do you know how many Chinese Orthodox Christians shed their blood for Christ in the Boxer Rebellion? Of course not. If you did know the staggering numbers who did shed their blood for Christ and DID NOT BECOME ATHEIST, you would be ashamed of the sheer ignorance of your statement. Apology noted, but it doesn't make up for the fact that you spoke out of fable and not fact.
 
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And many Catholics are persecuted by the Chinese Communists right now, and many southern Sudanese Christians have a fight on their hands. But their faith lives on because the Holy Spirit dwells in other denominations along with the Orthodox faith. So I guess the answer to the original question on this thread is "no." But to suggest that Protestants are more likely to drift into atheism is also a fable, so your ignorance of the facts is duly noted as well.
 
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And many Catholics are persecuted by the Chinese Communists right now, and many southern Sudanese Christians have a fight on their hands. But their faith lives on because the Holy Spirit dwells in other denominations along with the Orthodox faith. So I guess the answer to the original question on this thread is "no." But to suggest that Protestants are more likely to drift into atheism is also a fable, so your ignorance of the facts is duly noted as well.

Oh please. Everyone makes such a big deal of how many Jews died in the Nazi "Final Solution", but they fail to recognize that about 5 million Russians died resisting the Russian Revolution in 1918 and atleast that many if not double that died during the Soviet Era for practicing their faith.

And don't talk to me about the Catholics. My spiritual father, and American Mill Hill Missionary (Roman Catholic) priest, was martyerd by the Kenyan Government in August 2000 after serving the Kenyan people for 30 years.

As for protestants drifting into atheism, I will let the current controversy over ordination of openly homosexual bishops in the Anglican Church speak to that matter.
 
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Amazing. You keep lumping all Protestants together by saying we believe in ordaining homosexuals. Not all Anglican brances do this. The UMC does not, and has defrocked pastors for attempting to do so. I do not condone that practice.
As for you getting mad at me about the quote you highlighted, I'm sorry but many DID drift in atheism? Why? Because the Bolsheviks played on the anger of the peasantry toward the Russian Orthodox Church, which was accused of catering to the aristocracy. Are people drifting back toward Christianity? Sure. But that does not take away the fact that many people drifting away from Orthodoxy.
Does that mean Orthodoxy produces more atheists? Of course not - that is ludicrous. All denominations have some atheists born out of them. Maybe I should have worded my response differently; I was fuming when, once again, my faith was attacked (which I should expect on an Orthodox board). I wrote that because there was mention of people who love "praise" worship as feeling something only momentarily. That is ludicrous as well. Also, I said "many" drifted away from Orthodoxy, and that is fact. "Many" is not synonymous with "all."
My point - every single Christian denomination, including yours, is not pefect, and is made up of fallible men. Many drift away from Protestant churches - I've read about them on this forum. All denominations are susceptible to losing followers because they are ran by imperfect men. God's kingdom is not of this world, a world devoid of perfection due to Adam's transgression. All we can do is to continue to have faith in His saving grace to get through it.
 
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Before you rip me, I meant to say that many Orthodox HAD drifted away, not that they currently are doing so.

Also, I know many Orthodox died for their faith. I never said they did not.

Think I'll quit now. The atheist who started this thread is probably getting a kick outta how Christians bash each other.
 
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Amazing. You keep lumping all Protestants together by saying we believe in ordaining homosexuals. Not all Anglican brances do this. The UMC does not, and has defrocked pastors for attempting to do so. I do not condone that practice.
As for you getting mad at me about the quote you highlighted, I'm sorry but many DID drift in atheism? Why? Because the Bolsheviks played on the anger of the peasantry toward the Russian Orthodox Church, which was accused of catering to the aristocracy. Are people drifting back toward Christianity? Sure. But that does not take away the fact that many people drifting away from Orthodoxy.
Does that mean Orthodoxy produces more atheists? Of course not - that is ludicrous. All denominations have some atheists born out of them. Maybe I should have worded my response differently; I was fuming when, once again, my faith was attacked (which I should expect on an Orthodox board). I wrote that because there was mention of people who love "praise" worship as feeling something only momentarily. That is ludicrous as well. Also, I said "many" drifted away from Orthodoxy, and that is fact. "Many" is not synonymous with "all."
My point - every single Christian denomination, including yours, is not pefect, and is made up of fallible men. Many drift away from Protestant churches - I've read about them on this forum. All denominations are susceptible to losing followers because they are ran by imperfect men. God's kingdom is not of this world, a world devoid of perfection due to Adam's transgression. All we can do is to continue to have faith in His saving grace to get through it.

Orthodox Christianity is not a denomination. Orthodox Christianity is Christianity. Everything else that claims to be Christian is a watering down of Orthodox Christianity.
 
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