Is 'once saved always saved' a biblical teaching?

[BPPLEE]

Correct.

The same opportunities were given to Judas as the rest, he saw all the miracles and signs that The Father performed through Jesus, he just decided that he liked money more.

So much for heredity and environment, at least the environment part. He was with the Son of God and saw all the miracles

 

[ARBITER01]

So much for heredity and environment, at least the environment part. He was with the Son of God and saw all the miracles

And on top of this, he experienced the love, virtue, and power that poured out from The Lord to those around Him. He knew The Lord Jesus was the Son of GOD and the prophesied one to come, but chose money instead.

He knew the truth and turned from it.

 

[d taylor]

Betrayal is the key word.

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The ones who betrayed were not believers.

 

[d taylor]

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Now the question remains, did Judas at some point after his betrayal and before his death. Did he ever believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life?

 

[d taylor]

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What is really sad is, there is not one single example of a born again child of God (a believer) in The Bible. Becoming unborn again and crossing back over from life to death.

But yet this human concocted idea, that a born again person can become un-born again and cross back over from life to death remains to be a very popular belief in churches. Maybe because these churches are teaching a works based way to life and not the way God has planed by belief in Jesus.

 

[ARBITER01]

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Now the question remains, did Judas at some point after his betrayal and before his death. Did he ever believe in Jesus?

How does one betray Jesus?

 

[Matt5]

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[d taylor]

How does one betray Jesus?

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Judas betrayed Jesus this way. Jesus is not physically alive on earth at this very moment in time, so a person can not betray Jesus now. Like Judas betrayed Jesus.

 

[BPPLEE]

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Now the question remains, did Judas at some point after his betrayal and before his death. Did he ever believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life?

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Mat 27:3 - Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

 

[d taylor]

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Mat 27:3 - Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

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Well that verse states Judas repented, but it does not say that Judas believed in Jesus for Eternal Life. So there is still that question ?

 

[ARBITER01]

Judas betrayed Jesus this way. Jesus is not physically alive on earth at this very moment in time, so a person can not betray Jesus now. Like Judas betrayed Jesus.​

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Well that verse states Judas repented, but it does not say that Judas believed in Jesus for Eternal Life. So there is still that question ?

Looks like you're trying to assert a personal belief.

 

[BPPLEE]

Looks like you trying to assert a personal belief.

It may have been too late because scripture says it would have been good for him if he had not been born

 

[ARBITER01]

It may have been too late because scripture says it would have been good for him if he had not been born

It looks like he is trying to add something into the text that is not relevant. The text says that Judas betrayed Jesus, that means that Judas turned from the truth, turned from Jesus and actively fought against Him. That is what the Greek describes as betrayal.

whether any of them were born again at this point is not part of the discussion. Jesus had not went to the cross, yet Judas was given the same ministry allotment as the rest, and was destined to be an apostle,...... just like the text says.

Judas couldn't be a disciple of Jesus and not be a believer.

 

[Danthemailman]

There is no "temporary" spiritual rebirth (regeneration), just as there is no "temporary" physical birth.

You can't be born and then "unborn" either physically or spiritually.

Uncle Henry apostasized because he did not have true (saving) faith, rather he had counterfeit faith (Mt 7:22-23).

Amen! Salvation is not probation.
Eternal life is not temporary life.
Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.

 

[d taylor]

Looks like you're trying to assert a personal belief.

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Yes churches are full of followers, but not many who have believed in Jesus for Eternal Life. These two are not the same.

“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and confined is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

 

[Danthemailman]

I actually prefer the terms, "eternal security of the believer" or "preservation of the saints" over OSAS because of all the negative connotations that typically get attached to it by those who oppose OSAS, like, "a license to sin" or "a license for immortality" etc..

 

[ARBITER01]

I actually prefer the terms, "eternal security of the believer" or "preservation of the saints" over OSAS because of all the negative connotations that typically get attached to it by those who oppose OSAS, like, "a license to sin" or "a license for immortality" etc..

I think that works for a good 98-99% of Christianity.

That 1-2% who betray Jesus and turn from Him and the truth to serve themselves and satan seems to be a problem for some of those on here that think it is an impossibility. There are a few examples in scripture of such things happening, so I'm not sure why this is such a problem that people are trying to make excuses against it, unless they have a personal belief that scripture is exposing.

The wages of sin is death.

 

[d taylor]

Act 1:17 For he was numbered among us, and received his portion in this ministry.

Act 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be made desolate, And let no man dwell therein: and, His office let another take.

Act 1:25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas fell away, that he might go to his own place.


Take these passages for what you will, but I don't see any statement in our bible that Judas was an outsider and not one of the disciples. He was hand chosen by Jesus just like the rest.

I'm not going to argue with personal opinions. Either a person understands that betrayal exists in Christianity,...... or they refuse to acknowledge it.

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So where in the verses you are referencing state Judas believed in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life

 

[ARBITER01]

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So where in the verses you are referencing state Judas believed in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life

Again, you seem to be promoting a personal belief here, and also unable to keep up with thread post history. I'm not going to entertain your posts much.

 

[Danthemailman]

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Yes churches are full of followers, but not many who have believed in Jesus for Eternal Life. These two are not the same.

“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and confined is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

There are genuine Christians, and there are "nominal" or pseudo.Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers and it's not hard to find them mixed together throughout scripture, in various churches today, and on various Christian forum sites.

Faith in Jesus Christ for salvation is the narrow way. (John 3:15,16,18; 10:9; 14:6; Acts 10:43; 26:18; Romans 3:24-26; 4:5-6; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8,9 etc..).