Is 'once saved always saved' a biblical teaching?

[BPPLEE]

Ok then, what section of the book of Hebrews should we consider to be only for Jews and what is for Gentiles?

Do you see how this gets ridiculous real fast?

If a person gets saved and then backslides is there no hope for that person?
Read Hebrews 6:4-6 before answering
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 [c]if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. 7

 

[BPPLEE]

The Book of Hebrews was written primarily to Jewish Christians, likely those living in Jerusalem or Judea, who were familiar with the Old Testament and Jewish traditions. The exact audience is not explicitly named, but the letter’s extensive references to Hebrew Scriptures, the Temple, and Jewish rituals suggest it was addressed to believers with a strong Jewish background, possibly facing persecution or temptation to revert to Judaism.

 

[ARBITER01]

If a person gets saved and then backslides is there no hope for that person?
Read Hebrews 6:4-6 before answering
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 [c]if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. 7

Original: παραπίπτω
- Transliteration: Parapipto
- Phonetic: par-ap-ip'-to
- Definition:
1. to fall beside a person or thing
2. to slip aside
a. to deviate from the right path, turn aside, wander
b. to error
c. to fall away (from the true faith): from worship of Jehovah
- Origin: from G3844 and G4098
- TDNT entry: 08:50,8
- Part(s) of speech: Verb

- Strong's: From G3844 and G4098; to fall aside that is (figuratively) to apostatize: - fall away.

I think you may have an incorrect idea of what falling away actually means. It's not just to backslide in our walk, but a
conscientious decision on the part of a person/Christian to turn away from The Lord Jesus.

The prime example of this would be Judas.

 

[BPPLEE]

Original: παραπίπτω
- Transliteration: Parapipto
- Phonetic: par-ap-ip'-to
- Definition:
1. to fall beside a person or thing
2. to slip aside
a. to deviate from the right path, turn aside, wander
b. to error
c. to fall away (from the true faith): from worship of Jehovah
- Origin: from G3844 and G4098
- TDNT entry: 08:50,8
- Part(s) of speech: Verb

- Strong's: From G3844 and G4098; to fall aside that is (figuratively) to apostatize: - fall away.

I think you may have an incorrect idea of what falling away actually means. It's not just to backslide in our walk, but a
conscientious decision on the part of a person/Christian to turn away from The Lord Jesus.

The prime example of this would be Judas.

Exactly. You don’t just backslide and lose your salvation, it has to be a decision to reject Christ, like leaving Christianity and returning to Judaism.

 

[ARBITER01]

Exactly. You don’t just backslide and lose your salvation, it has to be a decision to reject Christ, like leaving Christianity and returning to Judaism.

Correct.

Judas was a chosen of Jesus like the other 11 were. He was stated as being "amongst' them and sharing in their ministry from Jesus. His example is not an outlier, there are others since the time of Jesus who turned from Him.

It's called betrayal.

 

[BPPLEE]

Correct.

Judas was a chosen of Jesus like the other 11 were. He was stated as being "amongst' them and sharing in their ministry from Jesus. His example is not an outlier, there are others since the time of Jesus who turned from Him.

It's called betrayal.

But it’s not “losing your salvation “ it’s renouncing it

 

[ARBITER01]

But it’s not “losing your salvation “ it’s renouncing it

Judas lost his salvation, Esau lost his birthright/salvation, satan lost his place in heaven, etc.

Betrayal is not just renouncing, it is a turning from the truth to willfully oppose GOD. There is no salvation available for such a person, as Hebrews states.

 

[BPPLEE]

Judas lost his salvation, Esau lost his birthright/salvation, satan lost his place in heaven, etc.

Betrayal is not just renouncing, it is a turning from the truth to willfully oppose GOD. There is no salvation available for such a person, as Hebrews states.

They all made a decision, you don’t just backslide and lose your salvation, it’s a conscious decision to turn away. and reject Christ

 

[d taylor]

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Judas was never a believer, so Judas lost nothing.

 

[BPPLEE]

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Judas was never a believer, so Judas lost nothing.

I wondered about that, he was stealing the money before he ever sold Jesus out

 

[ARBITER01]

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Judas was never a believer, so Judas lost nothing.

Act 1:17 For he was numbered among us, and received his portion in this ministry.

Act 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be made desolate, And let no man dwell therein: and, His office let another take.

Act 1:25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas fell away, that he might go to his own place.


Take these passages for what you will, but I don't see any statement in our bible that Judas was an outsider and not one of the disciples. He was hand chosen by Jesus just like the rest.

I'm not going to argue with personal opinions. Either a person understands that betrayal exists in Christianity,...... or they refuse to acknowledge it.

 

[BPPLEE]

Act 1:17 For he was numbered among us, and received his portion in this ministry.

Act 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be made desolate, And let no man dwell therein: and, His office let another take.

Act 1:25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas fell away, that he might go to his own place.


Take these passages for what you will, but I don't see any statement in our bible that Judas was an outsider and not one of the disciples. He was hand chosen by Jesus just like the rest.

I'm not going to argue with personal opinions. Either a person understands that betrayal exists in Christianity,...... or they refuse to acknowledge it.

Tools

Jhn 6:70 - Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

 

[ARBITER01]

Tools

Jhn 6:70 - Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Are you saying that Jesus specifically knew Judas was a devil, and chose him anyways as a disciple?

How about we add the next line in,.....


Joh 6:71 Now he spake of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

 

[BPPLEE]

Are you saying that Jesus specifically knew Judas was a devil, and chose him anyways as a disciple?

How about we add the next line in,.....


Joh 6:71 Now he spake of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

Of course Jesus knew, he knew everything that was going to happen. But did Judas have a choice? Can both be true, that he was predestined but it was still his choice?

 

[ARBITER01]

Of course Jesus knew, he knew everything that was going to happen. But did Judas have a choice? Can both be true, that he was predestined but it was still his choice?

Yes,....

Act 1:25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas fell away, that he might go to his own place.

He could have been an apostle like the rest, but chose to betray The Lord instead.

 

[BPPLEE]

Yes,....

Act 1:25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas fell away, that he might go to his own place.

He could have been an apostle like the rest, but chose to betray The Lord instead.

Yes

Mat 26:24 - The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

 

[d taylor]

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But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.
And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.” From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”
But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?”
He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve.

 

[ARBITER01]

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But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.
And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.” From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”
But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?”
He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve.

Betrayal is the key word.

 

[BPPLEE]

Betrayal is the key word.

And Jesus knew who would betray him

 

[ARBITER01]

And Jesus knew who would betray him

Correct.

The same opportunities were given to Judas as the rest, he saw all the miracles and signs that The Father performed through Jesus, he just decided that he liked money more.