Is OCD demonic

[raven1]

I have done that I have been saved for fifteen years. I got scared I was going to die a thought popped in that what if heaven is not real and we go nowhere and I freaked and have been ever since trying to find absolute proof he is there but I can't and that is were faith comes in but how can I just have faith heaven is there what if it isn't. So my life is full of trying to prove heaven exists so I don't fear no afterlife and trying to prove God is there so I don't go to hell but I can't prove it. I need faith but like I said how do I just believe heaven is there when I am terrified it isn't.

 

[kodadog1024]

Your best bet:
Go to church
Read the Bible (first thing you do when you wake up in the morning)
Maybe get into a Social Group through your church

I know it's hard. I face some of the same things (almost on a daily basis). I feel I am having to constantly "prove" myself to God that I am good through "good" deeds, but we both know that doesn't work. I find myself worrying about going to hell as well and I just have to roll with the anxiety and know that God's goodness is stronger than my problems and He will never let us down. It's like, how do we get through these moments of doubt, anxiety, intrusive thoughts, depression???? We all need to find the right solutions. I'm still tweaking mine after a year of it.

 

[raven1]

I feel like God is going to say your fears have been more than your trust that I exist. Depart from me especially since doubt God exists is not an OCD issue.

 

[kodadog1024]

Man, I wish I could have a solid answer for you, me and the rest of us. I think Jeremy Camp said it best here youtube.com/watch?v=sPmozHhShEA

 

[raven1]

What do u mean for u and the rest of us. What that we aren't going to hell. Do you doubt God exists too? I can't open the movie. Know I am trying to rationalize this all. My doubt in heaven is from fear but what if my doubt in God is not because I can't know if I believed in God I would believe in heaven. Ahh I am going to hell.

 

[kodadog1024]

You doubt God and Heaven, but yet you think your going to Hell. Do you doubt Him and or Heaven because, but you don't doubt Hell? Hell is for anyone who hasn't accepted Christ. God is stronger than your doubt. And you have to let Him deal with it because you can't (not right now). But God will never fail you and if your faith needs to be strengthened from Him and Him alone then accept it and know God knows what is best for you. I know it's easy for me to say this, but I believe it. I don't think I could have ever got to where I am at now, if I was never broke.

 

[raven1]

I doubt Heaven and God because I can't prove it and I am scared there is no afterlife so no amount of evidence can calm that fear I shoot it all down with doubt but I believe he could exist that is y I fear hell.

 

[kodadog1024]

We're not supposed to prove it. What would be the point in faith and trusting in God if it was just all spoon-fed to us? Sounds harsh, but He is bigger than our own proofs and doubts. He knows this about you. He made you this way, and not just because.... This is happening for a reason. He wants to get to know you, .... better, more closely. Your more important to Him than you will ever understand. He will never fail you even if your doubt exists. Remember this and he was a disciple of Christ!

Jesus Walks on the Water

22 Immediately Jesus made the disciples get into the boat and go on ahead of him to the other side, while he dismissed the crowd. 23 After he had dismissed them, he went up on a mountainside by himself to pray. Later that night, he was there alone, 24 and the boat was already a considerable distance from land, buffeted by the waves because the wind was against it. 25 Shortly before dawn Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake. 26 When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. “It’s a ghost,” they said, and cried out in fear.
27 But Jesus immediately said to them: “Take courage! It is I. Don’t be afraid.”
28 “Lord, if it’s you,” Peter replied, “tell me to come to you on the water.”
29 “Come,” he said.
Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30 But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, “Lord, save me!”
31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?”
32 And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. 33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

 

[raven1]

I know we are supposed to have faith but does faith really exist. I mean do people really believe without proof ( blind faith ) no they believe because they feel they have proof. When I didn't doubt people said how can u believe in God you can't see him but response was just I know he is there but I believed that. I didn't have faith, faith to me is like saying I can't know but I will trust anyway no one does that it is to scary. I wouldn't walk across the street without looking and have faith a car wouldn't hit me. So I am trying to BELIEVE again only thing is I knock every doubt down because my belief like I had before isn't enough I need to see God and heaven to believe because the fear heaven may not exist has made the belief I had before not enough.

 

[kodadog1024]

I totally understand where your coming from. And while you test your faith, know that the Holy Spirit that has been given to us and speak to Christ/God on our behalf. God knows yours doubts, your fears. Tell Him. He will find ways to help strengthen you. If you need wisdom, ask our generous God, and he will give it to you. He will not rebuke you for asking.

You should listen to some of Rick Warrens sermons. They REALLY helped me out. You go to saddleback (dot) com and go under; Resources > Podcasts. Check out some of those and see if they help.

 

[raven1]

You doubt God exists?

 

[raven1]

When I go through all this in my head I just feel like some people don't get to be saved or God isn't there and therefore can't create believe in us. Why do people come on this forum for doubt God exists if it isn't caused by OCD. Why do some people say doubters hellbound and some don't. Who can know their fate.

 

[earagun]

When I go through all this in my head I just feel like some people don't get to be saved or God isn't there and therefore can't create believe in us. Why do people come on this forum for doubt God exists if it isn't caused by OCD. Why do some people say doubters hellbound and some don't. Who can know their fate.

help me understand OCD, Is it your own internal voice telling you to do these things, .........what if that voice that sounds just like your own was a deceptive spirit, mimicing your own voice, to put fear and doubt and everything eles your trying to deal with, causing a bondage to do all these things that OCD people find themselves doing. I had a bout with spirits once, that tried to make me believe all sorts of lies, I just started rebuking these mimicing liars and only trusting in Jesus and what the bible says about you when you are in Christ. If you relentlessly not give in to their suggestions, they eventally give up and move on to easier victims, who readily submit to what they think their own mind is telling them, Not all thoughts might be your own.

 

[raven1]

Well the spiteful feelings I get when I doubt God exists like he is a joke and this spiteful feeling makes me think the enemy maybe but what I don't get is OCD can't make you doubt Gods existence that is just doubt not OCD so why are people telling me to get OCD treatment. Since it comes from me not OCD I fear hell and how could therapy possibly help me.

 

[cedward1]

In my opinion, I think Satan is attacking you. You say you were strong in the faith before all these fears started. I think anything that happens that causes one to be separated from God (whether it is sin or fear) is ultimately from Satan. He doesn't want you to be confident in your faith or to believe that God loves you, and wants you constantly examining yourself to see if you believe "enough" or if you are doubting "too much".

Anyway, if you were saved before you can rest easy.

"The gifts and callings of God are irrevocable" - Romans 11:29

"Those who follow me, niether men nor devils can pluck out of my hand" - John 10:28

"For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord." - Romans 8:38-39

 

[raven1]

I don't believe in once saved always saved. Since u struggle with the same thing I do, do u think Satan is attacking u as well. U said your doubt God exists is not from OCD why do u come to a OCD board. I am just curious not trying to be mean or anything.

 

[earagun]

I don't believe in once saved always saved. Since u struggle with the same thing I do, do u think Satan is attacking u as well. U said your doubt God exists is not from OCD why do u come to a OCD board. I am just curious not trying to be mean or anything.

what if the strong God believing, full of faith Christian is your true self, and all the doubts and fears, are simply lies the enemy plants in your mind, speaking in a voice that sounds just like your own, so when you hear these doubts and fears you are led to believe they are yours but in in fact all that has plagued your mind is merely an illusion, a cunning deception..........sound impossible, what are your thoughts about an anorexic girl, think about it, she looks in a mirror she is skin on bones, but her mind portrays a complete false illusion that her body is covered in fat, no matter how many people tell her she's dieing of starvation, her mind won't let her believe this grande deception the enemy has planted in her mind.......if she would trust in what her closest friends would tell her and reject the false image she see's and rebuke it, "saying "Its a lie I need to eat" and then begin eating, after awhile when she keeps rejecting the delusion of being fat, eventually she regains a true picture of who she is.......OCD maybe just another variation of this oppression, because the truth is you don't need to do any of these things that bog your life down with repetition, and compulsions, they all could be just the lie of the enemy, to fill your life with anxiety

 

[raven1]

my husband says God would not want me to worry myself all the time about the doubt that he wants me to be happy. I feel like I don't know if God is merciful. I have trouble believing because I am afraid of the what if which is there is no God and therefore no heaven. I was strong in my faith until I thought I was going to die. Then I starting wondering what if this is it and there is nothing after this which scared me to death. So then I thought then maybe God doesn't exist at all. Ever since I have been trying to prove. When I read the bible I think it's made up. When I see a show on planets I think God could not have created something out of nothing or who made God. I want to believe because I believe it's possible people have seen heaven and hell and I don't want to go to hell. I know doubters that say if God doesn't exist we just go nowhere and are ok with that and they also say if he exists then I will go to heaven. They don't fear hell for doubting?!?!!

 

[earagun]

my husband says God would not want me to worry myself all the time about the doubt that he wants me to be happy. I feel like I don't know if God is merciful. I have trouble believing because I am afraid of the what if which is there is no God and therefore no heaven. I was strong in my faith until I thought I was going to die. Then I starting wondering what if this is it and there is nothing after this which scared me to death. So then I thought then maybe God doesn't exist at all. Ever since I have been trying to prove. When I read the bible I think it's made up. When I see a show on planets I think God could not have created something out of nothing or who made God. I want to believe because I believe it's possible people have seen heaven and hell and I don't want to go to hell. I know doubters that say if God doesn't exist we just go nowhere and are ok with that and they also say if he exists then I will go to heaven. They don't fear hell for doubting?!?!!

Do you see the game of tennis going on in your mind, the ball keeps going back and forth from one side to the other. If you were to rely not on your own understanding and simply trust God, and call all thoughts that seem to cause doubt and anxiety to be lies from the pit of hell. you will find relief! because at the moment you are fighting both sides flipping back and forth. Side with God, Jesus has already won the battle, stop allowing doubt to reign, just rebuke it as a lie

 

[raven1]

How do I do that when part of me says it is a lie. I want to believe in him if he is real or not if he isnt. There is no way to know 100 percent. I can follow Jesus and hope I am right but I don't know if he will be merciful with that mind frame and I also need to rationalize what if there is no heaven but I can't if I stifle my doubts but I feel i need to stifle my doubt to hopefully avoid hell.