Is not honoring the sabbath a sin?

[Hizikyah]

That entire chapter is about being dead to SIN. Sin dose not rule over one thatis of the Messiah.

I hope you can see one day we need faith and obedience.

 

[Hentenza]

That entire chapter is about being dead to SIN. Sin dose not rule over one thatis of the Messiah.

That's correct. At justification the penalty of sin has been removed.

I hope you can see one day we need faith and obedience.

Obedience has nothing to do with following the Jewish law. The Christian is not a Jew.

 

[Hentenza]

Yahchanan 5:14, "Afterward, Yahshua found him in the sacred precincts of The House of Yahweh, and said to him: Behold, you are healed. Sin no more, or a worse
thing will come upon you."

Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of
Yahweh, in conformity with the faith, as Yahshua Messiah."

Yes, a man may say: You have faith,
and I have works. Show me your faith
without your works, and I will show you
my faith by my works!

NONE of these verses state that the Christian is under the Jewish law. None.

 

[Hizikyah]

because nobody should keep the "JEWISH" law, that is the Talmud.

Have a nice night.

 

[from scratch]

None of your verse mining even hint at a Sabbath command for the Christian.

BTW- I've posted several verses and you are ignoring them. I've already addressed the verses that you keep repeating earlier in this thread.

Why of course he's ignoring them. He's evangelizing; not discussing or debating. It is a very common problem here in GT.

 

[from scratch]

This Scriptualy proves gentiles were always allowed:

Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no euncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."

When a Gentile complies with these 2 verses they're no longer gentiles (strangers).

 

[from scratch]

I showed Law and Sabbath were always for gentiles, I showed gentiles are part of Israyl if they follow the Messiah. Where does it say the Sabbath is abolished? It dosent. Satan has worked very hard to get people not to have the mark of Yahweh:

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Exodus 31:13-17, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy"....16-17, "Therefore the children of Israyl shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the
children of Israyl forever, for in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, and on the Seventh Day He rested and was refreshed."

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

You've done no such thing because the Book of the Law says otherwise in Deut 5.

 

[from scratch]

All it is quoted Scripture, what is wrong with me utting that up? If I post a link NOBODY goes to it

IDK about the rest of the site, I just read that article

Not many will read long posts either. Besides this is so old hat any long timer nearly has it memorized from repeated very similar posts.

 

[from scratch]

Hogwash. When you make following the law the determinant then you are attempting to justify yourself by the law. This is called Judaizing. I am amazed at the redefinition of words that you use. But you don't fool me.

I'm not amazed. It does crack me up with belly rolls though.

 

[from scratch]

1. You did not cite the article and attempted to pass it as your own words.
2. None of the verses even hint at a Sabbath command for the Christian. None.

Isn't that called spam?

 

[from scratch]

I feel that once one is forgiven he shold turn to obedience to the Laws of YAHWEH, as the Scriptures posted over and over stated. I believe in taking ALL the Scriptures into context, not just the ones that tickle my ears.

How about these? Are they obselete

Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”

Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

Acts 17:30-31, “In the past Yahweh winked at such ignorance, but now He commands all men everywhere to repent! For He has appointed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness, by a Man whom He has ordained; and He has given evidence to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”

Romans 2:4-11, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.”

2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”

Colossians 3:24-25, “Knowing that from Yahweh you will receive the reward of the inheritance; for you serve Yahshua the Messiah. But he who does wrong will receive the reward for the wrong he has done, and there is no respect of persons.”

1 Kepha (Peter) 1:17-18, “And if you call on the Father, Who without respect of persons judges according to each man’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence. Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your fathers.”

Mattithyah 15:3, “But Yahshua answered, and said to them: and why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?”

Revelation 20:12-13, “And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before Yahweh. And the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and Death and Sheol delivered up the dead which were in them. And they were judged, every man, according to their works.”

Revelation 22:12, “And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be.”

Yaaqob (James) 2:26, “For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also.” Can dead save?

2 Timothy 4:3-4, “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts they will heap to themselves teachers, who will tickle their ears, and they will turn away their ears from the truth, and be turned to fables.”

What about these -

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Rom 6

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Rom 7

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Gal 3

We need some OT also -

5 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day. Deut

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31 See Mat 26:28, MK 14:24 and LK 22:20 for proof this is the current covenant with Israel which includes the Gentiles as evidenced in Acts.

11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts. Hosea 2

BTW I'm just getting started and I didn't get these from some theological site or book.

 

[from scratch]

No now you have twisted Scripture. Most translations say those who try to be JUSTIFIED by law are fallen from grace.

Following Law is not murdering, not stealimg, not lying.

Yahchanan 2:4-5 &, "He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, eand the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him
truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him."

5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the llove of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Romans 8:7-8, "Because the carnal mind is enmity against; bitterly opposed to, Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Yes and obedience by coincidence isn't obedience.

 

[from scratch]

First of all we must define our terms.

The Sabbath to the Jews is not the Sabbath of the New Covenant believers, therefore it would be advisable to first define our terms.

The New Covenant Sabbath observance is the central observance of WORSHIPPING GOD IN SPIRIT. Sabbath becomes our walk by faith with God. The application of the Sabbath is inward observance based on God the Holy Spirit as the central focus of worship.

We can't apply Sabbath according to the Old Covenant believers because they did not have The Temple within them.

Since a Christian is given God the Holy Spirit, therefore the believer becomes the Holy Sanctified temple of God.

You as a New Covenant believer when you worship God in Spirit observe all the Law and all the Prophets.

The central focus is on the Lord of the Sabbath and not a created 24 hour day.

If you do make outward observances central to the question of worship then you are bypassing the indwelling of the Holy Ghost by worshipping outward according to the flesh as was the Old Covenant practice.

In doing so you do commit sin by worshipping creation rather than the creator who indwells you.

Those that observe outward Sabbaths days years, lunar festivals and other celestial events are receiving the mark of the beast that places man's authority over and above the Lord of the Sabbath's.

Yeah I'd love to see that sacrifice by a priest. We are the Temple in which God dwells.
There's no temple within an individual.

 

[from scratch]

Very entertaining but I can't handle any more of this for the moment.

 

[Serpentslayer]

Redefinition!

You said!

You see as Christians we must not just mouth something and then not say anything as to accuse the one that testified of lying.

If you are accusing me of lying please have the common decency to at least give an answer for the hope that lies within you, rather than accusing people of lying.

Your uncircumcised in the heart behaviour noted and your forgiven friend!

 

[New_Wineskin]

"Under law" not keeping the Sabbath is a sin. In fact doing any sin brought death. That's the OC.

Not being "under law" , that isn't my concern .

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Setyoufree "Under law" not keeping the Sabbath is a sin. In fact doing any sin brought death. That's the OC.

Not being "under law" , that isn't my concern .

Good for you!



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[LittleLambofJesus]

Very entertaining but I can't handle any more of this for the moment.

Can't say as I blame ya. But we must continue the battle!


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[from scratch]

Can't say as I blame ya. But we must continue the battle!

Which usually means I have something I have to do at the moment and I'll probably come back for more. It is also a way to say someone is full of it (what ever that may be).

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Redefinition!

You said!

You see as Christians we must not just mouth something and then not say anything as to accuse the one that testified of lying.

If you are accusing me of lying please have the common decency to at least give an answer for the hope that lies within you, rather than accusing people of lying.

Your uncircumcised in the heart behaviour noted and your forgiven friend!

Whom are you quoting?

Circumcision used as a weapon in OT:

Genesis 34:24 And unto Hamor, and unto Shechem his son, hearken do all those going out of the gate of his city, and every male is circumcised, all those going out of the gate of his city.
25 And it cometh to pass, on the third day, in their being pained, that two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brethren, take each his sword, and come in against the city confidently, and slay every male;
26 and Hamor, and Shechem his son, they have slain by the mouth of the sword, and they take Dinah out of Shechem's house, and go out.

Interesting the term "by mouth of a sword" is also used in Luke 21:24 of the Olivet Disourse

Luke 21:24 And they shall be falling to mouth of sword and they shall be being led captive into all the nations.
And Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations.
[Reve 11:2/13:10]


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