Is not honoring the sabbath a sin?

[RibI]

What you claim to be 'obedient service' can be just as much viewed as cowering to save yer hide...

Sorry to be so frank...

No worries "frank." Being in obedient service to God is a good thing.

I would be much more worried about being in open rebelion against God.

But that's just me.

 

[Stryder06]

What you claim to be 'obedient service' can be just as much viewed as cowering to save yer hide...

Sorry to be so frank...

If that's how you want to see it.

 

[Stryder06]

No worries "frank." Being in obedient service to God is a good thing.

I would be much more worried about being in open rebelion against God.

But that's just me.

Indeed

 

[squint]

If that's how you want to see it.

Can't discount that as a possibility seeing the direction you are FORCED into apart from implied obedience. The conclusion is quite apparent as to WHY...

self preservation.

 

[squint]

No worries "frank." Being in obedient service to God is a good thing.

I would be much more worried about being in open rebelion against God.

But that's just me.

Is that the form of 'obedience' that says "I'm obedient" but you're not?

 

[RibI]

Is that the form of 'obedience' that says "I'm obedient" but you're not?

Is that your way of saying that obeying God is a bad thing?

 

[squint]

Is that your way of saying that obeying God is a bad thing?

Uh, no, I'm saying that there are other views available than what you think is the ONLY view available.

 

[Pythons]

IMHO perhaps we should look at this from a Biblical perspective. Christ slaughtered the Sabbath and towed the carcas behind Him for all to see ( language used to describe what a victor does to the victim after battle ).

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The 10 Commandments AKA the Law or 1st five books of the Bible were slaughtered by Christ once He fulfilled them, therefore, at the time Hebrews was recorded, that ritualistic portion of the law was well into putrefaction.

All Moral or Natural law remained intact, however, that which was ritual fell under Christ's spear and now has become maggoty. The Sabbath therefore ceased in it's authority along with all other ceremonial aspects of the Law. This is why certain Scriptures go on to speak of the spoilation of the Sabbath.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away

The 10 Commandments AKA "The Law of Moses" was the Covenant.

When I was gone up into the mount to receive the tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant which the LORD made with you, then I abode in the mount forty days and forty nights, I neither did eat bread nor drink water:

So I turned and came down from the mount, and the mount burned with fire: and the two tables of the covenant were in my two hands

Jesus, by fulfilling the law and prophets slaughtered that which stood against us. Because the Sabbath was part of the ceremonial law it (along with the other rituals) rotted after death like all things do. It's not that the Law was bad it was the REQUIREMENT of KEEPING IT (The Law), this is exactly what and why Christ slaughtered the Sabbath as it was the center of the law that stood against us.

Hope this helps.

 

[stelow]

IMHO perhaps we should look at this from a Biblical perspective. Christ slaughtered the Sabbath and towed the carcas behind Him for all to see ( language used to describe what a victor does to the victim after battle ).

The 10 Commandments AKA the Law or 1st five books of the Bible were slaughtered by Christ once He fulfilled them, therefore, at the time Hebrews was recorded, that ritualistic portion of the law was well into putrefaction.

All Moral or Natural law remained intact, however, that which was ritual fell under Christ's spear and now has become maggoty. The Sabbath therefore ceased in it's authority along with all other ceremonial aspects of the Law. This is why certain Scriptures go on to speak of the spoilation of the Sabbath.

The 10 Commandments AKA "The Law of Moses" was the Covenant.

Jesus, by fulfilling the law and prophets slaughtered that which stood against us. Because the Sabbath was part of the ceremonial law it (along with the other rituals) rotted after death like all things do. It's not that the Law was bad it was the REQUIREMENT of KEEPING IT (The Law), this is exactly what and why Christ slaughtered the Sabbath as it was the center of the law that stood against us.

Hope this helps.

That's a colorful way of saying it, but I do agree.

 

[squint]

Jesus, by fulfilling the law and prophets slaughtered that which stood against us. Because the Sabbath was part of the ceremonial law it (along with the other rituals) rotted after death like all things do. Hope this helps.

Uh, no, the full entirety of ALL COMMANDS still stand.

The purely external physical execution of all of those 'laws' and 'commands' was 'changed' to a SPIRITUAL FULFILLMENT....

right here:

Romans 13:
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


Paul repeated WHAT fulfills the LAW 3 times in the SAME WAY in the above scripture set. Physical fulfillment apart from LOVE to our neighbors is and remains MEANINGLESS apart from LOVE to our neighbors. Gathering in condemnation to those same ONLY AMPLIFIES the condemnation in those who bring observe the physical commandment at THE NEGLECT of the FULFILLMENT.


Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


So no, the LAW still stands fully in effect and remains to be FULLY FULFILLED in any who walk in this way.

s

 

[stelow]

The New Covenant was purchased with the blood of Christ Jesus. After the resurrection of Jesus the NT explicitly teaches we are free from the OT law, OT law was never binding to the Gentile Christian. This is a foundational teaching in the NT, that the Gentiles and the Jews who are Christians now live under the New Covenant; and that only by the sacrifice of Jesus life, God's only begotten Son, that only then would it be acceptable to God, for us to enter into this New covenant. Jesus in the four gospels is fulfilling the OT laws and prophesies but then abolishes the law and ordinances nailing them to the cross. He did not do away with them, that's why He also says not one of them will pass away, this is where some of the confusion comes from I believe. We still have the entire Word from God but the Gentile Christian and/or the Jew Christian now is no longer bound by the OT laws and ordinances.

James 1:25"But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed."

James 2:12"So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty."

 

[Pythons]

Uh, no, the full entirety of ALL COMMANDS still stand.

The purely external physical execution of all of those 'laws' and 'commands' was 'changed' to a SPIRITUAL FULFILLMENT....

right here:

Romans 13:
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


Paul repeated WHAT fulfills the LAW 3 times in the SAME WAY in the above scripture set. Physical fulfillment apart from LOVE to our neighbors is and remains MEANINGLESS apart from LOVE to our neighbors. Gathering in condemnation to those same ONLY AMPLIFIES the condemnation in those who bring observe the physical commandment at THE NEGLECT of the FULFILLMENT.


Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


So no, the LAW still stands fully in effect and remains to be FULLY FULFILLED in any who walk in this way.

s

A Seventh day adventist would obviously say what's good for the Goose is good for the Gander and if the text means what you say it does an individual would show love to God by keeping the "Sabbath", no? What part of ceremonial law has anything to do with what we owe our fellow man?

 

[squint]

A Seventh day adventist would obviously say what's good for the Goose is good for the Gander and if the text means what you say it does an individual would show love to God by keeping the "Sabbath", no?

Physical observations of any command apart from love to neighbors is worthless. Observation of 'sabbath' with love is no basis to condemn those neighbors.

 

[Pythons]

Physical observations of any command apart from love to neighbors is worthless. Observation of 'sabbath' with love is no basis to condemn those neighbors.

Then it's not an either - or, it's both . I sort of thought we would end up here.

 

[squint]

Then it's not an either - or, it's both . I sort of thought we would end up here.

Not sure what you mean. IF a Sat. sabbatarian thinks they are loving their neighbors by marking them with SIN, condemning that sinner for SIN, and sentencing them to the possibility of ETERNAL DEATH I can be totally ASSURED that is NOT loving them.

The same ones they OPENLY CONDEMN when those SAME love their neighbors as themselves, have fulfilled the ENTIRETY of the requirements of the LAW in themselves SPIRITUALLY and will NOT be condemned.

 

[ticker]

Yeah, I guess so. Dealing with the truth is much harder than not.

...actually, it's because I understand the truth that I know I don't need to worry about that stuff.

 

[RibI]

Uh, no, I'm saying that there are other views available than what you think is the ONLY view available.

There is only one view that matters, God's.
If He is your King you are going to have to live by His Laws.

 

[squint]

There is only one view that matters, God's.
If He is your King you are going to have to live by His Laws.

Happy to 'do so' and not through your imposed "condemnation/potential eternal death to your neighbors" system.

There are more ways than just your construct with which to view these matters.

 

[Benedictiō]

Personally, I think the modern day application of the Sabbath Laws is respect and honor for the teachings of God and regular attendance at mass/worship . . . but that's just me.

 

[Timothew]

Right on.


Who's condemning anyone? Telling someone you're wrong, and condemning them are two different things.



So are you telling me that you abstain from doing your own pleasure on Saturday? For example, to you avoid watching secular programming or listening to secular music? Do you keep from going shopping or hanging out at the mall just to kick it? Does your observance of the sabbath begin at sundown Friday night and last till sundown Saturday?

It's not about going to church. It's about keeping the day holy.

Yep. Last saturday I was helping a boy who was previously a victim of abuse. I think helping him may have also been a form of worshipping God. What do you think?

You say its wrong to worship God on sunday. Is it also wrong to worship God on monday? Cause I do that too.

I really think that you need to quit worrying about what day it is, and just worship God. OK dude?