Is not honoring the sabbath a sin?

from scratch · Oct 15, 2013

squint said:
Word says that Grace and Law are both against evil and we all have it.

And guess what folks?

I fully agree. Hows bout that for mind blowers?

The law and grace provide different things by different means.

squint · Oct 15, 2013

from scratch said:
And guess what folks?

I fully agree. Hows bout that for mind blowers?

The law and grace provide different things by different means.

Did you bother to consider that the Word became flesh, rose and His Spirit now lives in us?

Hebrews 4:4 tells us that WHO is LIVING and ACTIVE?

uh, yeah.

THE WORD.

and where might the LOCATION of LIVING WORD be?

hmmm?

such difficult math.

Lulav · Nov 1, 2013

I don't think the question is
'Is not honoring the sabbath a sin?'

but why would you not want to honor the day the L-RD God rested from his creation? thus witnessing to his superiority above all?

ananda · Nov 1, 2013

ToxicReboMan said:
Weren't the Pharisees admonished for this type of legalism?

Nope.

Scripture teaches that Sabbath is for our rest and enjoyment, for YHVH's glory. The Pharisees were admonished for adding man-made restrictions to the Sabbath until it became a huge burden.

plmarquette · Nov 1, 2013

Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath / head of church
a. attend services - fellowship of the brethren
b. do not work for wages - servile labor - lucre, mammon
c. rest , body, family , recharge
d. spend some time thanking God for week and asking for same next week

Pharisees and Sadducees were full time preachers ...several thousand of them, take care of church, upkeep, sacrifice... making laws for others working full time and going to church part time, like you and I...hypocrites ... took ten commandments and came up with list of 200+ things to do and 300+ things not to do...like our politicians...

SayaOtonashi · Nov 1, 2013

We are not under he mosaic law so no

Stryder06 · Nov 1, 2013

SayaOtonashi said:
We are not under he mosaic law so no

For real? So I can cheat on my wife and it not be a sin?

SayaOtonashi · Nov 1, 2013

That's not what I meant. if you knew better the NE law does speak of this has a sin but I speaking of the sabbath and animal sacfices has not be uphold.

ananda · Nov 1, 2013

SayaOtonashi said:
That's not what I meant. if you knew better the NE law does speak of this has a sin but I speaking of the sabbath and animal sacfices has not be uphold.

Acts 20:7 Ἐν δὲ τῇ μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων συνηγμένων τῶν μαθητῶν τοῦ κλάσαι ἄρτον ὁ Παῦλος διελέγετο αὐτοῖς μέλλων ἐξιέναι τῇ ἐπαύριον παρέτεινέν τε τὸν λόγον μέχρι μεσονυκτίου - "and upon one of the sabbaths, the disciples came together to break bread ..."

SilverBlade · Nov 1, 2013

Luke 18: 18-22:

And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? http://biblehub.com/luke/18-19.htmAnd Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. http://biblehub.com/luke/18-20.htmThou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up. http://biblehub.com/luke/18-22.htmNow when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

Notice something missing? The rich ruler, nor Jesus, mentioned anything about the Sabbath at all. If honoring the Sabbath was hyper-important, wouldn't Jesus have corrected the rick ruler? Wouldn't he have mentioned anything? He didn't!

Before people say "What about the other commands?", we are strictly talking about the Sabbath, so stick to *that* particular one.

ananda · Nov 1, 2013

SilverBlade said:
Luke 18: 18-22:

And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up. Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

Notice something missing? The rich ruler, nor Jesus, mentioned anything about the Sabbath at all. If honoring the Sabbath was hyper-important, wouldn't Jesus have corrected the rick ruler? Wouldn't he have mentioned anything? He didn't!

Before people say "What about the other commands?", we are strictly talking about the Sabbath, so stick to *that* particular one.

Messiah did correct him. At the end of your quote, He commanded "follow me". Do you think this just means to follow Him wherever He wandered in Israel? Or, does this mean "do what I do"? Did Messiah honor the Sabbath?

Lion King · Nov 1, 2013

netzarim said:
Messiah did correct him. At the end of your quote, He commanded "follow me". Do you think this just means to follow Him wherever He wandered in Israel? Or, does this mean "do what I do"? Did Messiah honor the Sabbath?

Jesus Christ worked on Sabbath.

Nanopants · Nov 1, 2013

netzarim said:
Messiah did correct him. At the end of your quote, He commanded "follow me". Do you think this just means to follow Him wherever He wandered in Israel? Or, does this mean "do what I do"? Did Messiah honor the Sabbath?

Not sure if you noticed His opponents' criticisms against Him about sabbath keeping...

ananda · Nov 1, 2013

Lion King said:
Jesus Christ worked on Sabbath.

He did acts of compassion on the Sabbath, which is lawful. He did not work on the Sabbath.

ananda · Nov 1, 2013

Nanopants said:
Not sure if you noticed His opponents' criticisms against Him about sabbath keeping...

I sure did! They misinterpreted the commandment regarding Sabbath and judged Him based on their misinterpretation, and Messiah set them straight.

Nanopants · Nov 1, 2013

netzarim said:
I sure did! They misinterpreted the commandment regarding Sabbath and judged Him based on their misinterpretation, and Messiah set them straight.

I think you are trying to place Messiah under His own law, as if He wasn't God.

Lion King · Nov 1, 2013

netzarim said:
Acts 20:7 Ἐν δὲ τῇ μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων συνηγμένων τῶν μαθητῶν τοῦ κλάσαι ἄρτον ὁ Παῦλος διελέγετο αὐτοῖς μέλλων ἐξιέναι τῇ ἐπαύριον παρέτεινέν τε τὸν λόγον μέχρι μεσονυκτίου - "and upon one of the sabbaths, the disciples came together to break bread ..."

Which English bible uses that translation?

ananda · Nov 1, 2013

Nanopants said:
I think you are trying to place Messiah under His own law, as if He wasn't God.

Not at all.

I believe Messiah IS the bodily manifestation of Torah-Law (Jn1, 1Jn1), so He cannot work against His own nature.

ananda · Nov 1, 2013

Lion King said:
Which English bible uses that translation?

Good, honest ones

Lion King · Nov 1, 2013

netzarim said:
He did acts of compassion on the Sabbath, which is lawful. He did not work on the Sabbath.

Jesus and His disciples picked grain on Sabbath (Mark 2:23). Is that not considered as working?

Is not honoring the sabbath a sin?

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