Is not honoring the sabbath a sin?

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I never said they did.

Poor pixels.

Ah but did you say that you can murder and not be sinning because there is no law?

 

[TannarDarr]

Ah but did you say that you can murder and not be sinning because there is no law?

No, I was discussing the commandments. The other person tried to claim the commandments are the law. I used hyperbole to show the difference. Never works, but at least it's fun.

 

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No, I was discussing the commandments. The other person tried to claim the commandments are the law. I used hyperbole to show the difference. Never works, but at least it's fun.

Two authors in the New Testament show the law to be the Ten Commandments. The law is an indivisible single unit.

 

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Until you show me you understood what I said, I'm not leaning to looking to you for complexities. Nuttin personal.

You appeared to make the claim that 'do not murder' is only based on an outside event. I pointed to the weakness of that presentation as being non-factual.

The law was also for the Jews. It had a specific reason. paul talks about this elsewhere. Unless you are a jew, be careful where you make up the complexities I'm not capable of grasping.

Jesus advised us otherwise, stating in Luke 4:4 that MAN, not just Old Testament Jews shall live by every Word of God, HIM being THE LIVING WORD that was in the Old Testament, then made FLESH.

Christ's Church is of the order of Melchizedek's. NOT of LEVI's. NOR AARON'S. There wasn't a Jew alive in the time of Mel's priesthood in the OT. So if you try to impose the levitical laws on Christ's priesthood, you can't tell me I'm the one missing the point.

We can all be quite certain that both Jesus and the Law of the Old Testament are equally against all sin and evil and that as believers we are as well.

What's your point?

It might impress you. It has nothing to do with anything I've said.

The COMMANDMENTS are not the law was the point. This was all a waste of space. I didn't say anything about the law and murder. tyvm.

The Commandments are Gods Words.

Paul transcribed that we as New Testament believers are to LIVE by EVERY COMMAND in the entire text.

Romans 13:8-10.

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Two authors in the New Testament show the law to be the Ten Commandments. The law is an indivisible single unit.

The claim he's trying to spin is that New Testament believers don't have any cause with Old Testament Word of God, which is flat out denied by the Apostles and Jesus as well.

Paul laid the dictates of every command in the entirety of the Old Testament upon New Testament believers quite clearly in Romans 13:8-10.

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The claim he's trying to spin is that New Testament believers don't have any cause with Old Testament Word of God, which is flat out denied by the Apostles and Jesus as well.

Paul laid the dictates of every command in the entirety of the Old Testament upon New Testament believers quite clearly in Romans 13:8-10.

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So you think Paul is obligating Christians to the law. My advice is to read the rest of the book.

 

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So you think Paul is obligating Christians to the law. My advice is to read the rest of the book.

Of course. So did Jesus.

I've cited those facts many times.

You just have to stop hearing the law through carnal ears.

Paul gives us two factual pictures of the law. The law has a carnal or external factor and also an internal factor.

Just as the mind prompts external actions.

The carnal external understanding of the law is subservient to the internal action.

Paul transcribed for no uncertain fact that New Testament believers are to abide by every command in the entirety of the text, and set that matter to print and to rest on 'how' we are to HEAR the law in Romans 13:8-10.

Why you grace guys can't just step over into that clearly defined spiritual aspect and TAKE THE LAW with you is just self imposed false understandings stepping in the way.

It's not that difficult to understand.

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[TannarDarr]

Two authors in the New Testament show the law to be the Ten Commandments. The law is an indivisible single unit.

I'll take that bet. They may refer to the "LAW" as in the pentateuch. The LAW Paul discusses when he discusses working and law is the law that requires individual circumcision. That's why he is so angry at those folks. It's the jewish laws, not the Decalogue.

I'll be glad to have that chat with you.

 

[TannarDarr]

The claim he's trying to spin is that New Testament believers don't have any cause with Old Testament Word of God, which is flat out denied by the Apostles and Jesus as well.

Paul laid the dictates of every command in the entirety of the Old Testament upon New Testament believers quite clearly in Romans 13:8-10.

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What laws did Melchizedek have?

If you have no answer, you have no case.

 

[TannarDarr]

Listen folks. UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND what I'm claiming, don't go running your mouth and declaring what I'm trying to say. Squint, you must REALLY squint, you haven't a clue what you are talking about.

WHAT.....



LAWS......

DID.......

MELCHIZEDEK........

Maintain?

Lacking an answer, you lack any claim in this chat. I'll move immediately ahead of you.

 

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What laws did Melchizedek have?

If you have no answer, you have no case.

The instant you claim that the law did not speak here, you are off the pages:

John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Wanna see it again?

Acts 28:23
And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

Is that clear enough yet?

Jesus IS The Word of God.

You can look at the Old Testament any way you think, but the fact is that the WORD OF GOD of the Old Testament CHANGED, right here:

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, ) full of grace and truth.

You clear so far?

???

Pretty simple stuff isn't it?

???

And what happened to the OLD TESTATMENT LAW and the PRIESTLY ORDER?

again, rather simple:

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

And what happened to both? They became THE WORD OF GOD IN FLESH, Killed, Resurrected to an endless life after the ETERNAL PRIESTHOOD.

The Spirit of HIM in us places Every Word of God where?

Uh, yeah....IN US. It is no longer a carnal matter of external understandings.

Who is your REST under THE LIVING LAW?

Any questions start at the top, rinse, repeat.

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[LittleLambofJesus]

What laws did Melchizedek have?

If you have no answer, you have no case.

I wonder how the Jews would answer that

http://www.christianforums.com/t4633867/
Melchizedek Connection, Royal Priesthood

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/priest/RP24.htm

One of the most intriguing descriptions of the unique character of the High Priesthood of Jesus is found in Heb. 7:17 wherein it is stated, "

Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek."

This one grand statement shows that Jesus is not like any of the other priests who the people of Israel knew so much about.
The entire seventh chapter of Hebrews is about THE MELCHIZEDEK CONNECTION,

In the Genesis story Melchizedek is a strange and mysterious figure. He flashes across the scene like a meteor. There is no heralding of his appearance, nor any mention of its results.
He arrives out of the blue; there is no account of his family; there is nothing about his birth, his descent, his life, his work, or his death. He simply arrives.

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[TannarDarr]

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

You didn't answer the question. Scared? Or didn't understand it. Please stop your pompous posturing until you do.

Let me help you on the HEB 7 verse. The LAW changed the Jews from Melchizedek's priesthood. Christ reversed the change. The Gentiles were never under the law.

What laws was Mel under, show me them.

 

[TannarDarr]

I wonder how the Jews would answer that
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I know how they would answer it. I've sit and discussed it with much brighter rabbi's than me and anyone I've met in here.

He's first mentioned in GENESis and you can glean a lot of relevance from him there. AGAIN in PSALM 110. Confirmed by Jesus in Luke or mark, and reiterated in Hebrews.

What we know about him...

he existed before anything called a jew lived.
Thus before any gentile lived. (refer to "in Him there is no Jew or Gentile...)
Since his priesthood was before the jews, there was no Jewish laws.
Christ's priesthood is like his.

It precedes the law, the jew, the gentile. it's back to GRACE, as Melchizedek's time had.

If Christ's priesthood is fashioned after the one that existed before the law,
and you insist (whoever you are) on applying the law to it in ANY WAY other than using it to identify the Christ, you are just spitting on this relevant fact of scripture.

 

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You didn't answer the question. Scared? Or didn't understand it. Please stop your pompous posturing until you do.

Jesus answered already:

Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

and what did you say?

naaaayyyyy

You need a new rider there horsey.

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Jesus answered already:

Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

and what did you say?

naaaayyyyy

You need a new rider there horsey.

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The Hebrews probably said the same thing about Pharoah and the Egyptians at the Red Sea

Exodus 15:1 Then Mosheh is singing and sons of Yisra'el this song to YAHWEH and they are saying to say of "I shall sing to YAHWEH, that to exalt He exalts.
Horse and rider He heaved into sea [Reve 15:3]
2 Strenghth of melody of me Yah, and He is becoming to me for salvation. This one El' of me and I shall adorn Him, Elohiym of father of me and I shall exalt Him"

Reve 15:3 And they are singing the Song of Moses, the bond-servant of the God and the Song of the Lambkin saying "great and marvelous the Works of Thee Lord! the God, the Almighty.
Just and true the ways of Thee, the King of the saints" [*ages/*nations].
[Exodus 15]

 

[cerette]

Martin Luther writes well in his Large Catechism about keeping the Sabbath day holy. If you scroll down a bit on this page (see link) you can read it:
The Large Catechism - Book of Concord

 

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Yes and that voids no part of the Bible. Yeah I know your come back.

There is no comeback. Read post #331 in this thread.

I would think that every last one of us could easily see that the Word of God became FLESH.

That Word was nailed to His Cross. Resurrected. And His Spirit now lives in our hearts, keeping us from the evil one.

Why in the world would any believer in their right mind run from those facts?

If Jesus is in you, HE WILL confirm His Own Facts.

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There is no comeback. Read post #331 in this thread.

I would think that every last one of us could easily see that the Word of God became FLESH.

That Word was nailed to His Cross. Resurrected. And His Spirit now lives in our hearts, keeping us from the evil one.

Why in the world would any believer in their right mind run from those facts?

If Jesus is in you, HE WILL confirm His Own Facts.

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ehehehehe

What you're really saying is the Old Covenant rules the life of the Christian and the parts of the New Testament that you can't reconcile aren't true.

 

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ehehehehe

What you're really saying is the Old Covenant rules the life of the Christian and the parts of the New Testament that you can't reconcile aren't true.

Word says that Grace and Law are both against evil and we all have it.