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No, what I have done is to state what I believe. Or rather what I do not believe.
If you truly want to persuade others that your position is the correct one, you'd do better to do it from scripture, rather than "my church teaches".
Most churches do teach eternal torment, actually
So the point is kind of lost on people who are rethinking these ancient ideas.
I have never learned so much orthodoxy purging heresy in such a short time....had to purchase more note pads especially due to MC sagacious truths, going to bill him for the pads...nothing personal...others also have contributed.
Old Jack looking for another pen...out of ink.
Depends on who he's targeting if he's targeting anyone.
I would agree that if I were trying to persuade an evangelical, Church teaching doesn't do much. But then, neither does Scripture as they have their own interpretation not of the Church.
If you're going to debate in an open forum, you have to accept that there will be people there from all sorts of different denominations.
One denomination that doesn't need to be persuaded that this is heresy is the Catholics...so why "target" them?
Your point that others have a different interpretation than the church's is well taken...however, you'd do better to present your position from scripture than from "my church teaches".
I was raised Episcopalian...a very good Catholic friend calls it "Catholic Lite"...but I am one who is rethinking the whole "eternal damnation" thing. It just doesn't feel like God, to me.
You don't want to know where I think the idea originally came from...but I very honestly do not think God thought it up....
It just doesn't feel like God, to me.
Isn't the response to God's love to love Him?
Isn't that a "feeling"?
My heart is very much involved in my faith.
I freely admit that.
It would seem so......Now, if hell were the lake of fire, how could it be thrown into the lake of fire?
And we know what happens to death..."death is no more"
Add to this the number of times God says things like "the soul that sins shall die" or "the wages of sin is death"....
After awhile a pattern emerges....
This is talked about somewhat frequently in here when talking about hell. We know that it says in the Scriptures that the lake of fire is prepared for the devil and his demons. But does it say that all those who reject Christ are going to be thrown into the lake of fire?
If one believes that heaven and hell are more of a state of being - being in the presence of God - Light and Love - that feels joyful and peaceful and comforting for those who love Him and agonizing and like burning fire for those who hate Him - then what does one think of the lake of fire.
Those who believe hell is a physical place (although it says God is everywhere in and in everything, so I'm not sure where this hell would be), is it different from the lake of fire, and do you believe everyone who has rejected Christ is tossed in there?
And you assume that Annihilationism is a heresy, yet Irenaeus wrote that those who reject God will deprive himself of [the privilege of] continuance for ever and ever. Irenaeus is saying that those who reject God will NOT continue to exist forever in hell being tormented alive.
What's not so humorous is I view annilhilationism as not only falsifying the Word, but one of the gravest kind as allows Christians to have no fear of our Lord continually offending and provoking our Lord for the rest of the week after the one hour on Sunday.
All we know is that whoever's name isn't in the Book gets tossed in there.
Now, that's one book you won't find in the library.
We don't know whose name, other than our own, might be there or might not.
I do know, however, that God sees our hearts...
He seems to be very concerned with what goes on in there.
I do find humor in the topic as being forever tormented inwardly and outwardly at different levels of hell, one of the few topics I'm 100% sure of.
What's not so humorous is I view annilhilationism as not only falsifying the Word, but one of the gravest kind as allows Christians to have no fear of our Lord continually offending and provoking our Lord for the rest of the week after the one hour on Sunday.
When our Lord views this sinful condition perverting the essentials of the faith collectively then calamities strike where even Christians that do have a heartful fear of our Lord suffer also. I can assure you the older one gets the less one loves pain.
Old Jack's opinion just thinking out loud again...now I have to google up what 'heresy' means?
But where is your pay raise
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