Is Mystery Babylon literal or just metaphoric?

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How would a first-century Christian know that when they read this book? Is it perhaps a modern lens we put on it?
Actually it is an ancient way of looking at governments or world powers. Nothing modern about the idea. No more than a horn representing royalty did in the day.
 
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You don't seem to understand the term "partial preterist". Most of revelation has already been fulfilled over the last 1900+ years. We have some things still to unfold yet.
I still see alot more that needs to come to pass than what has. Can you please tell all the things that have happened. Outside of Jsrael becoming a Nation I don't see anything.
 
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Except it repeats/changes faces, and was written with that in mind, so that it might be seen, all throughout this time, etc...

God Bless!
So the three kings have destroyed her and given their power to the Beast? The anti christ has been revealed and a cashless society exist? You have been forced to either take the mark or not? Sorry I find many gaps in your idea.
 
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So the three kings have destroyed her and given their power to the Beast? The anti christ has been revealed and a cashless society exist? You have been forced to either take the mark or not? Sorry I find many gaps in your idea.
That's because you are taking it too literally, etc...

It happened in or around 70 AD, has happened many times since then, and will happen again, etc...

And if we truly want to understand the book of Revelation, then we need to understand how it does/did, and will again, etc...

God Bless!
 
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That's because you are taking it too literally, etc...

It happened in or around 70 AD, has happened many times since then, and will happen again, etc...

And if we truly want to understand the book of Revelation, then we need to understand how it does/did, and will again, etc...

God Bless!
So God's Word is to be taken lightly? Surely, God did not say,,,,,,
 
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So God's Word is to be taken lightly? Surely, God did not say,,,,,,
He didn't mean these things will happen in any kind of progressive order? So, the book should be called the Book of RevalationS. Since they happen in no sequential order one after another.
 
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He didn't mean these things will happen in any kind of progressive order? So, the book should be called the Book of RevalationS. Since they happen in no sequential order one after another.
 
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So God's Word is to be taken lightly? Surely, God did not say,,,,,,
Taking the book of Revelation symbolically is not taking it lightly, it is just simply another way of interpreting it, etc...

These things represent spirits, and systems, etc. The rise of the harlot could mean the rise of feminism, which always happened right before the fall of just about every society, etc, and the book does not talk about a cashless society, but just simply says that no one could buy or sell without taking or having the mark of the beast, or without having been marked by the beast at some point, etc, which could just be as simple as swearing an oath of fealty to a system rising that the beast represents, etc, an antichrist rising, just that systems very influential leader, etc, and many, many "other things", etc...

God Bless!
 
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How treacherous that Christians today are supporting the reestablishment of the worship and nation that their God judged nearly two-thousand years ago for crucifying their Lord. If it was the Lord's will to rebuilt the Temple, then there is no point in believing in Jesus and his sacrifice on the cross. How treacherous that Christian today are helping a people to willingly thrive in defiance of the scriptures. The symbol of David on their flag is a reflection of their denouncing of Jesus as the Messiah. If God wanted to restore the nation, Christians would have helped them rebuilt it after its destruction by the Romans after they legalized and established the faith in the Empire. Christians are betraying their Lord by helping the Jewish people live in defiance of the New Testament, and it is disgusting. God will not bless their work, nor will he help them return to the ways that he himself stopped. God has made their living in the land difficult, and possessing the land difficult, because God is opposed to them. This should be plain to all Christians everywhere.
Whoa to the nation that turns its' back on Israel. I support Israel how about you?
 
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He didn't mean these things will happen in any kind of progressive order? So, the book should be called the Book of RevalationS. Since they happen in no sequential order one after another.
It tells of the rise and fall of systems and societies, for the most part, etc...

Which also is a tale of the spirits behind them, or in charge of them, as well, etc...

Why it is so steeped in symbolism and is written the way it is, etc...

Because it was mainly addressed to those angels mainly, etc...

Who "more than understood it", etc...

God Bless!
 
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Taking the book of Revelation symbolically is not taking it lightly, it is just simply another way of interpreting it, etc...

These things represent spirits, and systems, etc. The rise of the harlot could mean the rise of feminism, which always happened right before the fall of just about every society, etc, and the book does not talk about a cashless society, but just simply says that no one could buy or sell without taking or having the mark of the beast, or without having been marked by the beast at some point, etc, which could just be as simply as swearing an oath of fealty to a system rising that the beast represents, etc, an antichrist rising, just that systems very influential leader, etc, and many, many "other things", etc...

God Bless!
Do you say the pledge of alligence? How can an ideal be destroyed and then power given to the Beast? We are heading toward a cashless society . How often do you debit your purchases? Just as in the Days of Noah ring a bell? This acceptance of all kinds of sexual sin.The return of Christ all this is symbolic?
 
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Do you say the pledge of alligence? How can an ideal be destroyed and then power given to the Beast? We are heading toward a cashless society . How often do you debit your purchases? Just as in the Days of Noah ring a bell? This acceptance of all kinds of sexual sin.The return of Christ all this is symbolic?
I don't know what qualifies as swearing an absolute oath of fealty to a system or not, etc, and there are a lot of things about the book that I don't fully understand in detail yet, but I do know what I do know about it, etc...

And while it does span all of time from beginning to end, or at least from the birth of the church age until the very, very end, etc, (at the very end of the book, etc), much of what is in-between tells a tale of a lot of repeats of rises and falls of systems throughout those times, or systems throughout those ages, etc...

Sexual sin has always been a thing amongst the ungodly, and is nothing new, etc, but most usually did get worse, or very much more worse, right before the fall of a society throughout the ages, etc...

God Bless!
 
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She's not literally a woman on a dragon.
No she is riding a scarlet beast not a dragon. I will give that it uses symbols to reveal truths. However, Daniel's prophecies were also revealed in the same manner and each had a specific thing that it related to. All I am saying is that each of these beings such as the harlot; anti-christ; false prophet etc. have not yet been. They are future events not things that have past.
 
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